Betty & Bonny

Hello readers, welcome to a brand new podcast.
It's Betty and Bonnie.
They're shit talking books, Sayers.
There it is.
Yes.
Yay, yay.
This is my cousin Jackie.
She's in the UK, I'm in Canada, so this is a transatlantic video.
0:29 This is going to be so much fun.
Now, me and my cousin, we Once Upon a time were in the Museum of Moving Images and we were in a section where they were doing all this like glamorous movie star for all time movie stars.
And this lady came up and she gave us our names.
0:46 So she called me Bonnie and she called Betty.
So we're going to call ourselves at and we're going to have a lot of fun today.
So Jack, how's your day been?
Really good, I've had a super chill day, got up a bit early when I did shopping.
1:01 All the boring shit you have to do as an adult.
Had a chilled afternoon.
That's it.
And just been getting ready to do this.
I've been so excited for our first one.
We were supposed to do this about a month ago.
Yeah, a little bit waylaid with some personal shit, but we are here and we are ready to go.
1:17 This is going to be so much fun.
You can literally going to be getting me and my my cousin just catching up and reading books together.
This is going to be so much fun.
So much.
As well, it's like where it's obviously Stacey moved to Canada like many years ago.
We also wanted to do this because it's just a great way for us to catch up and we thought we'd share that with everybody.
1:38 Nah, Like we've our family's pretty big on reading.
My, my mom is a big reader.
I'm a big reader.
Your mom's a big reader too, right?
My mum does read a lot.
I've I've just got her on my Kindle app and she every So what, every few days or so.
She's now text, she's retired so she texts me.
1:54 She's like, what do I read next?
I'm like, it's so nice to recommend her books because at one point your mum gave her a Kindle, so she was reading the books that your mum recommended.
Now she's getting my recommendations and I have just recommended her the housemaid.
She's read that she loved it.
And she read the next instalment, Yeah.
2:11 Or is she?
He's definitely read the second one.
I think she's actually read all three because I've moved on to other books.
Yeah, I think she's done all three pretty quickly.
Yeah, what did she think about what you think of the housemate?
Because that's actually the book we're going to be talking about today.
Yeah, she really enjoyed it.
2:26 We didn't have like a deep, deep discussions like so she texts me.
But yeah, she really enjoyed it.
Yeah, it's funny because Freedom McFadden, before she became like, before she blew up, she was using Booker Tour as her marketing company because she was an indie publisher.
And I was just, I was looking at her Instagram page the other day because I was like, we're doing this right.
2:47 She has so many followers and she only follows like 1000 people.
And she still follows me from back when I used to, yeah, when I used to like, mock he.
Was the one of her original like chat groups?
Yeah.
I should have done.
That when I found out.
It's I was.
So mind blown.
3:03 Yeah, she literally follows, like, virtually nobody.
And she's got so many follows, but she still follows my account because I used to do all her, like her book touring.
So I was born away, actually.
I was like, yeah.
No she is great, I have read quite a few of her books.
3:19 Can definitely do some Rex and other ones but yeah.
Oh yeah.
Well, she's one of those authors where you either love her or you hate her.
And I kind of think of her books as kind of like, it's kind of like crack.
You get like, you know what you're getting from it, right?
You get high off.
3:34 It's like a sugar high because she follows this formula where you be the love or hate the characters and she always has the big twists and you either love her or you hate her.
And I am definitely in the camp of loving her books.
Like she really blew up Housemaid.
Yeah, that must have been quite a a shock for her because she'd been doing it for so many years, hadn't she?
3:55 And it didn't she like self published and stuff before and and then all of a sudden a lot of her books blew up.
Yeah, so she got yeah, she got picked up by a publisher because she did she self published all the time.
And one of the, one of the things that she was very adamant about is that when she became published with an publishing house was that she wanted to keep her books affordable, which is why she kept them on Kindle Unlimited, which is why she publishes, like her paperbacks are actually very well priced.
4:24 They're really well priced because she wanted to make it affordable for every reader.
And that's one of the things I really enjoy about her.
I absolutely love that about her.
Yeah, yeah, that is great.
I did stumble on hers on Kindle Unlimited, but actually when I read The Housemaid the first time I read it, I've obviously reread it so that we can go for it today on the pod.
4:42 But I first read how I think it was February last year and I just joined a book club at work and that was our first one.
So we started on a high.
We was everyone was loving that book.
It was a great, it was a great day when we all got together and chatted about it and I've reread it.
4:57 I've literally just finished it this morning and there was bits that I kind of forgot.
No, but I wanted it like fresh in my mind.
I'd kind of forgot that it happened and was like, Oh my God, I've really forgot about that detail.
But it's like the little details that kind of made it, I think, yeah.
5:14 Yeah, she, I really appreciated the way she wrote it.
Now, I finished it back when we were going to before, when we were going to record and then to, to, to give me a refresher because I had a bunch of notes written down.
But I've literally listened to the audio book yesterday.
Like, so I had the audio back on and you know what's real?
5:31 You know what's really funny?
The person who does the narration, I I kind of liked Millie when I was listening to the audio book.
I'm like this.
She's such a like a see you next Tuesday, Like I'm not Millie.
Not at the beginning.
Not like you listen to the way she's talking and she's like, and she's basically shit talking Nina right from the get go, like right, you're so spoiled.
5:53 Look at you living in your big house.
You'd just be ordinary.
I'm like, wow, she's a real asshole.
This woman is literally getting you out your fucking car and you're already being a bitch.
I'm not No, I'm like, because I was like, I really like Nina.
I didn't much care for and I'm like, you know what?
I really didn't like Millie?
6:09 Like listen to the audio book.
I'm like, I fucking hate you.
I wouldn't.
I wouldn't hiss on you if you're on fire.
And that's weird because I think when you read the book, and obviously we know why Nina acts the way she does once we get past a certain point, but like the Part 1 of the book is Nina being an absolute fucking crazy bitch, like smashing up the kitchen, throwing shit everywhere.
6:33 Where's my notes for my PTA shit?
And you're like, dude, that's not even true and you're reading it.
Go the fuck?
So that's really surprising that the audio book's so different.
Well, I I think it's because the way the torque, because when I'm reading it in my head, I'm like, I'm like, OK, look, you know things.
6:51 But when I was listening to you, she was like, man, like a year.
Like the dude audio narrator is like, I'm like, I think that's the exact tone it was supposed to be.
And I'm like, wow, Millie just starts out being a real asshole too.
Like I know Nina doesn't know that because Nina's not in her head, but I'm like, Oh my God.
7:07 She's like, this chick literally offers you a job with really good salary and here you are going on.
Nina would just be like playing without all the fancy clothes.
You know what I mean?
I'm like, why are you thinking like that about your boss?
Yeah, yeah, that is super weird.
Like, like especially like from her start, it's like she's just come out of prison, obviously got basically sacked from the first job and is living in her car and he's like need a job and she gets offered this like really high paid job, live in.
7:35 She doesn't want to sleep in the car.
So it's like all kind of good for her at that point.
Yeah, so you'd think she'd be singing her praises and saying, oh, this wonderful Angel come and rescued me from.
But she even starts off and she's just no.
And I guess when I read it, I kind of missed that.
7:53 But the audio book was like, because I was like, Oh my Millie is a bitch.
She's a painless little.
Bitch.
Yeah, but touché Nina is a bitch.
Yeah, yes.
But Nina.
But this was before even Nina starts acting naughty like she's like, yeah, this was before Nina starts even acting like a little crazy lunatic play.
8:18 This in the film then, because obviously the film out soon, which is why we've picked to do the housemaids.
We thought it'd be a great talking point for people to listen to.
Hopefully you've already read it because there may be some spoilers, but it was a great one to talk about before the film comes out in December.
That's why I just wonder if we're going to play that, which like how it's, if it's going to come across more like how you saw it.
8:39 Yeah, I don't know.
That's really interesting because I I don't like the casting for the movie.
I had a look at the trailer and I'm like, that is not who I saw for Andrew at all.
Like that guy is just no, no, not for me.
8:55 I don't know.
I don't think when I read books, it's a bit weird.
Like, obviously I get a bit of a description, but then they're kind of in my head, kind of very loosely around that character.
But I just think Andrew was supposed to be caught.
Yeah, maybe that's what I saw.
9:12 But I would say, like, the description of the girls in the book was Bob's, and obviously in the film, they're both very long hair, very beautiful.
Maybe a bit more up to date.
I don't know, But yeah.
It's just Andrew just does not fit it for me.
And he was in one of other Colleen Hoover's like movies.
9:29 He did It Ends With Us and I didn't like him in that either.
I don't know why they picked this dude.
I was expecting like someone suave and sexy and I watched him and I'm like.
I haven't watched a movie.
I haven't watched the trailer.
Don't even.
9:45 No.
Well, it ends with us.
Is that not the one we played lively?
Yeah.
Oh, you haven't seen that?
It's not worth the watch.
I just think all the drama after it was more funny than actually like about the film it.
Was you know what?
I followed along with that for ages.
I was like obsessed with that.
10:00 My FYP on TikTok was literally just, it was all it was.
And my, my husband Mike was driving me like to take Thomas to school.
Our son and I was like, and I'm watching them and he's like, he's like, what's the update on Justin Baldoni?
I'm like, you even know his name?
10:16 I want this so frequently.
It's like, I don't want to know this stuff, but now I'm kind of interested.
Yeah, he was invested.
I was invested.
But you're right.
I was more intrigued by that.
I know that really tank Colin Hoover for a while because she a lawyer.
10:35 Do you read her books?
Are you a Colin Hoover fan?
I have not read any Colleen Hoover, so I will just preface this with obviously, like we used to read a lot as kids.
Yeah, but in full of days your mum would take us to the library and we get our books and we would read.
I think as I sort of, you know, got through like older teens, I didn't really read unless I was on holiday with a book.
10:54 And that would generally be something that your mum has given me or something like that.
Not probably sort of up to date thrillers, sort of books that we should think your mum's a bit more like crime.
They can be quite violent.
She likes Martina Cole a lot.
Like she's she's that kind of reader.
11:10 Yeah, but then last year when book club started is when I started racking up and got a lot into reading.
So yeah, I haven't actually got round any Colleen Hoover.
So you.
Haven't read Verity then.
No, I have not read Verity.
This is, this is the thing.
11:27 You know what I used to say about people who read books and they're like, I've got all these many books and in my head I was like, just pick one and fucking read that one.
I understand now what the problem is because I do.
I've Kindle Unlimited.
I've constantly got 20 books out.
I've then want to see with book clubs.
11:42 Sometimes they're not on unlimited, so then I buy them.
A guy coming to work the other day, I will shout this guy Scotty Mills, he's like a, he's like a motivational speaker now.
So he come and did like a talk at work.
But he used to be in the Marines.
He got very high up in the Marines.
11:58 This was the guy that took the England football team and the women's football team and they put them through like the kind of paces of the military and did like proper training to get like teamwork in them.
I've actually got his books out here.
I haven't read it yet, but he was a great speaker.
12:15 So that is a great.
Work.
He came to our work, yeah, and did like a talk.
He was really good, really funny, really amazing, had some good stories.
So I'm really excited to read that.
No idea what else.
Had to say, but yeah, once he trained England, the football team, the next year they won the EUR.
12:33 I think it's the EUR and the next.
Then he done the women's football team the next year and the year not the next.
The next time the EUR was on, they won it twice in a row and they awesome sky and obviously his team.
So yeah, shout out to him that digressed a little bit.
12:50 That's all right.
That's what we're doing, talking.
That wasn't so shit talking.
That was a big up.
Yeah, I don't know.
You went on fiction books.
I don't genuinely, but I have read a couple of what's the guy called?
It's Mark or something, and he's like a spy.
13:07 So I've read a couple of his books.
It normally comes off of someone's coming to work.
So I think where I got that from was we had another speaker at work and it was the guy that did haunted.
I can't remember his name, but he also his background was like basically being a spy.
So I was like, I need to read spy books.
13:24 So, yeah, that was a couple of years ago.
Yeah, great speakers.
Oh, that's, I'm really jealous.
You know what we actually have?
We had, I can't remember what it was called now.
They had a bunch of authors come to Calgary and I was like, I should get tickets, but the tickets sold out like almost right away.
13:41 They had Harlan Coben come here like he was talking about.
Yeah.
I've obviously watched TV series again, get to read to Harlan Coben, but I have seen a new one with Reese Witherspoon and I'm dying to read it.
I'm just going to, you know what, hang it out a bit.
13:57 We should maybe do that one as well then, because I am very intrigued to read that one very.
Oh, if we're going to do it for the pod, then I'll buy it.
Because I really like, I love his books.
I breed normally for him on Nick Galley.
I've done, I did his last three books, but for some reason I did not sign up for that one.
14:14 And I think it was because I had too much going on.
You should see how bad it is.
The amount of books I get come in.
I don't have time for them all but I don't want to say no.
How can you?
Say no to Harlan Craven.
I think it's because I had like fuck who did I have?
14:30 Like I had Nicholas Sparks, I had his new one remain and then I had Berkeley books.
They are like the hardest people to get books from if the amount of people that requests that books that get turned down.
They asked me to blog tour for them all the time and I can't say no in case they don't invite me back again.
14:47 So I always say yes and they did 3.
Like they sent me three books that all had to be read in a span of two weeks.
And I'm like, I can't, I couldn't, I couldn't do it.
There was no room.
And then I'm doing author interviews so I'm reading their books.
I just got like 2 books yesterday.
It's fucking mental being a book influencer.
15:03 Fucking mental.
How the fuck do you read so many books?
Like how much do you?
Do you know how many you've read this year so far?
I know I have reviewed almost 500 books on Goodreads this year.
Reviewed.
Yeah.
So not so.
15:20 So you've read them and reviewed them.
Or they might have been like the end of last year but reviewed.
This year.
Oh, you've.
Read and reviewed 500 books.
Yeah, I've read and reviewed almost 500 on Goodreads.
I've still got probably about 26 reviews I have to write.
And then that doesn't include some of the library books that I got because I don't tend to write reviews for those.
15:39 I just give them star ratings.
So I've probably read about 550 at this point.
But I do utilize audio books like that's something I do do.
And you can do it like super fast on an audio book, can't you?
Yeah, well, I they, the the Libby app and net galley app both do it at three times the speed.
15:57 And I finally managed to get it to the point where if I'm wearing headphones, it's perfect.
And yesterday Amazon was like, he can have Amazon Music for 90 days for free.
And they have I can get Audible books and they go up to 3.5 times the speed.
16:13 And I was listening to Project Hal Mary.
I'm like, Oh yeah, I'm like.
Books that I need to read.
My friend Tom read it.
I can't remember a few months ago and I keep saying I need to do this book and I was going to audio book it and then I forgot.
Well, if you, if you look and get, if you can get an Amazon Music like their free trial was 90 days.
16:35 They literally have Audible and you can listen to anything for free.
So I am going to whiz through everything that my library doesn't have because Libby, the Libby app is great but they have no Andy Weir books on audio at all and I have requested them so many times like Hey ad and they just it hasn't happened.
16:54 I will say though, with the reading, with the audible speed, I think I'm comfortable at like a 1.4 and I think most people would be around that either just under, just over.
Yeah, I was listening to a book, I think it was an AR tour Tory.
17:09 However, you said that persons name, not who talking about engaged managed to get up to two, but I had to let it go for a little while and then very slowly move it up.
So I think it is possible to get it, but I also still want to feel like I'm enjoying the whole experience.
17:25 I don't want to feel like I've like rushed the book or just got for it and then like, what the hell.
Like if your mind is scratched for a second at that speed, you've you've lost it, haven't you?
Yeah, but for me, if I don't have it fast, then other things can take my attention.
Whereas when I'm listening to that speed that I'm zoned because people I when I first moved to Canada, people talk really slow and I'm like fuck, just spit it.
17:48 Out when he's playing there.
I'm like, they're like, Oh yeah, right on, dude.
And it sounded so slow and I'm like, I just wanted to slap people for the longest time.
And then I'm.
Speaking to you and you being like, do you?
I won't do an impression because I won't do it justice, but I was like, why are you talking like that?
18:06 Obviously he was picking up the accent quite quickly I noticed, but he was also talking really slow and I was like dude, what the fuck are you doing?
Because people will go What?
What did you say?
What?
That's so they look.
At me like this I could.
18:22 Probably talk a bit fast, but I think that's England though I think we all need.
To Matthew talks really fast.
Matthew talked.
My son, my oldest son, talks really fast.
And people OK understanding him then?
No, he had to slow down.
18:39 Yeah, I thought you meant like now.
I was like, he's like 20 odd now.
Now he's like, people will be like, like you see them like glitching.
Yeah, it was.
But Caitlin was one when we moved here, so she always has, yeah.
18:56 She's always had a more gentle pace with her talking.
So I think that that's one of the reasons why my audio speed is easier for me because I talk fast.
I read fast, I need it fast.
Because when I first started audio books, I accidentally requested one from Netgalley and I thought it was a regular book and it was an audio book and I'm like, fuck.
19:17 So I had to try and it was horrible.
Like it was like.
And there she is digging plot.
And I'm like, and then it was Thomas grabbed my phone and he knocked the speed up and I'm like, oh, that's better.
I was like.
19:35 It.
Was so much better, but it took me a while to get from like 1.6.
That's where I started 1.6 to get off start like I had to build up to that and I actually just started something called immersion reading.
And I know if you've ever tried it where you listen to the audiobook and read it at the same time.
19:53 Oh, I've actually done a little bit of that with that AR Tory book.
I think it can't remember what it's called.
I'm going to look it up.
OK, Yeah.
So I, me and Hannah on the toppling TBR, we are going to be doing Quicksilver by Cali Hart.
I know you don't read fantasy, so this is not your kind of thing, but I had the book and I just, I had the audio book like it was just about to go back to the library.
20:16 So I was like, I'm just going to try it out.
And it was actually not that bad.
Like I felt like I was getting a more rounded experience hearing it and reading it at the same time.
I felt like it kind of stuck more.
So it's like, oh.
Interesting, yes, what I read I was listening to It's a Happy Marriage AR Tory.
20:33 I've done two of their books.
I don't know if it's male or female.
I guess a woman.
Is it a woman?
I think first one was really good.
It was like, oh, it's the last party.
So it's like from a woman's perspective.
And I don't want to give too many spoilers and I'm sorry if this does spoil it for anyone, but it's she's basically, she's obsessed with this guy that's in jail and she's obsessed with the crime that he committed, which was killing some kids at sleepover at his house, obviously like his daughter was.
21:00 Have you read this?
From.
Her point of view and she's so obsessed with him.
She's like, I'm going to do the same thing.
My daughter is coming up to her 12th birthday too.
I'm going to kill her and it's like.
What the fuck?
Yes I have read that one.
I did the audio book for that one actually.
21:17 I only three starred it and then my friend read it and I was like, I don't know why only three started.
So I feel like there was something at the ends that I wasn't quite happy with because it should have been a four-star really.
But it was a really good read anyway.
I would totally recommend it.
Yeah, it was a good no.
I really, I think, you know what, I think I only gave it 3.5 stars and I think it's because it was paced really slow and I like my thrillers faster.
21:40 Like I need more, more and more more.
And I'm pretty sure that she writes like she does, she does what I call slow burn.
So she kind of builds you up really slow.
So like chat and then she just like boom at the end.
Whereas I needed to go like and then like I like.
I need the ups and downs for my thrillers.
21:57 I don't know.
Because like, the first chapter wasn't it.
She's like in a restaurant and they're like, is there a doctor in the house?
And she's like, yeah, me.
And afterwards her husband's like, why have you just lied?
You're not a doctor.
And she's like, well, I well, I saved him, so it's fine.
It's like what?
The fuck?
22:12 You know, people can sue in the States for that.
If you give somebody like, like say, let's say they're having a heart attack and you give them chest compressions and you crack their ribs, they can sue.
You.
Even though you say you have the right to.
Spew The law has gone too far in so many ways and we're not going to fall down this rabbit hole on this.
22:30 Podcast No, let's not do that because when I read.
Because.
When I because you're right, because when I read that part in that book, I'm like, if she remotely hurt him in any way, he could sue her, doctor or not.
Yeah, they were for like harm bodily harm.
22:46 I'm like fucking I wouldn't touch nobody.
I'd be like, sorry, good luck.
I wouldn't think I would be like the worst person in the crisis situation.
I would fucking panic.
I would just be looking at whoever's around me being like, are you going to do something?
Yeah, because this ain't going to do anything.
23:03 This is going to fucking go like no.
I'm the opposite, I actually I'm really good during the crisis, like I but it's the afterwards I cry and start to shake.
If it was a medical crisis, if it was like a crisis at work, yeah, fine, I can do the pressure.
23:22 But it's like anything medical.
Oh no, I mean medical.
A worst case scenario.
No, I mean medical.
And I don't know if it's because I was an air cadet, because there was once, I don't know if you remember, when I was like 16, I was dating this boy called Craig.
And he lived in like, he lived like in Kent.
23:37 But I had to take the train up to see him.
I went to stay.
I went to stay with him and his parents for a weekend.
And we were, they were driving us to go bowling and we watched the cyclist get knocked off his bike.
And me and Craig got out of the clocks with first aid training, right.
We were first responders on the scene.
23:53 And we helped the guy out.
Yeah, bought him off.
We got him off the road safely until the ambulance came there.
And then we gave our statements.
And then afterwards I was like shaking and I was going to puke, but.
You're adrenaline.
That was adrenaline, isn't it?
That's like going afterwards, it makes you feel sick.
24:09 And Craig was like, wow, you really took charge.
And I'm like, I'm going to vomit.
I'm going to vomit.
Absolutely, you know, right back in my car.
So you're like, so I'm like, I'm actually really good at it's just the aftermath.
I'm not like afterwards, I'm like.
Yeah, I've never been first aid trained.
Maybe that's why.
Maybe if I had a bit of knowledge, maybe we should all have that in our lives.
24:28 Yeah, I don't know.
I really enjoyed air cadets.
Just it's funny because trainees like can got women join the military.
I'm like, it's not the 1900, sweetie girl.
Yeah.
And you have that Mike's like because she's got she bought this plastic gun.
I'm a shoot in juice boxes in the basement with it.
24:45 And then Matthew gave her a bow and arrow like.
Was she good?
Oh, she was pretty decent at it.
And she was like, yeah, I love this.
A little weird.
That's a bit scary.
Though, well, she's she's that kind of kid that asks 1,000,000 fucking questions and she don't take no for an answer.
25:03 Like I had to go out this morning to grab some milk and she's like, can I come with you?
And I went no.
And Mike's like no.
And she was like, well, I'm going to get dressed and come with you and.
I am coming, she.
Was like, I'm dressed now, let's go.
25:19 I got my shoes on, let's go.
I'm like, I told you, you won't come.
And she was like, come on, let's just go.
Like why are we arguing about this?
I'm ready.
Did she go, you sucker?
She was like, look on her face.
She was not having it.
I just wanted to go get some fucking milk.
So I'm like, fuck you.
25:34 So I'm like getting out of here with our obviously.
That is great.
That is a woman.
Take it.
Hey you.
At least you're not going to worry about her when she's older.
No, I guess it kind of reminded me of like Nina's kid right on in the bow.
Little fucking Madam that she is.
25:50 Yeah, like I'm allergic to peanut butter.
You're trying to fucking kill me.
And then it's like.
And then at the beginning it's like, no, she's not.
No.
It's like Andrew that he's like, no, she's not allergic.
And it's like.
It's funny because when I was reading that part, I'm like, because I was like, what part of this book would I been like, I don't care that I'm a criminal and I could go back to jail.
26:11 What part do you bounce out of there?
And after being like accused of trying to murder a child with peanut butter and having it in the house, apparently she's allergic.
I think I would have gone.
You know what?
I'm clearly not right for this job.
I'm going to go tell my PO that this is just not working and go back to jail because fuck man.
26:30 Like the shit that was happening to her.
I'm sorry.
I don't think I'd put up with that.
I'd rather be in jail.
Have you been to jail?
No.
Yeah, You don't know them.
I don't even by the way that sounded you really.
Bad.
You're like, have you been to jail?
26:46 I haven't.
I can imagine that that's not the place you want to be.
Probably not, but I mean, it's it's like psychological torture.
At least in jail, you know what you're fucking getting.
Nina is like a wild card.
I would have just been to my PO.
27:02 Look, what can we do?
What can we, because she sounds like that her and her like probation officer actually had a fairly decent rapport.
Sort of been like, like what's happening in the house?
She's acting absolutely crazy.
I don't feel safe here.
Like what are my options?
Because they they want to work with you.
27:19 So I'm like, at what point is she still staying there, accepting this bullshit?
And honestly, I think it's because she's looking at Andrew going, Oh yeah, I want to have babies with you.
As well, living in a lush house.
All right, she's got a sleep and a shit bedroom, but better than the car.
Yeah, all she's got to do is I'm not saying, oh, by the way, but cook and clean what you would genuinely think is quite a tidy house before you realize that Nina is a fucking psychopath and fries Wobblies and smashes up the whole kitchen, including dragging everything out of the fridge, pouring milk on the floor before that.
27:51 It's like quite a good gig in it.
And the pay, like you think, right, stick this out for like a year, try and save some dollars and let's and then I can fuck off.
And then try and find like maybe that's her mentality, don't know.
But the second that she finds out that Nina has all these, like, mental health issues, right, she went and looked at her medicine cabinet and people have been saying, oh, she's crazy.
28:13 Yeah.
How like at that point you must be wondering like how far will this bitch take this shit?
Like she could be in real danger and she's just I don't know.
Millie felt really fishy to me, really fishy because I'm like and then she's like lusting after her husband and like, oh, I want to be with her husband knowing that this poor woman's like been in and men also institution.
28:36 She obviously had a mental breakdown and you want her husband.
Like I really despise Millie.
By the end of the audio back, I'm like, I really didn't like Millie and I wanted to.
I've read all the other books and now I'm like, I don't know how I'm going to feel about you if I go and read book 2 now because.
28:51 It's really change your perspective, this audio book.
Yeah, it did.
It really did.
It really did.
Sorry.
Horrible, horrible.
She's I got like, she's like.
Oh, he's like, as a woman who's come into the house, he's like, she's just trying to do a nicey, nicey thing.
29:08 Nina's now being weird.
Andrews being a fucking St.
She's like, dude, you can do better, come on.
But you don't take somebody else's husband.
Well, no, obviously we don't do that.
You.
Don't come in there going I can give you babies.
29:24 Like she can't give.
I can't give babies.
Like if Menina moves out, I'd be my house.
Like who does that?
She Andrew finds out that she's got the criminal background.
Like she's been in prison and he doesn't talk to her for a while.
And she's like, oh, I've lost them.
29:40 I'm like, you didn't have him.
That's not your man, that's someone else's man.
And you're fucking still trying to stick your finger in that pie.
Yeah, maybe she got, I don't know, I don't think she got what she deserves because Andrew was fucking insane.
29:56 Like when it moves on to Part 2 about Nina.
Oh shit.
Do you know what?
Because originally when I read it, I was like, I get why she did it and I feel really horrible for her.
But at what if?
Because she was looking for just somebody to take over, right?
30:12 It's not like she specifically was planning to find someone like Millie.
It's just Millie happened to be who she found.
Now what if she'd found some sweet, like sweet, sweet girl and left her to be abused by Andrew?
And I'm like, she really doesn't care about anybody else.
But wasn't it that she picked Millie because she knew what her background was?
30:31 Yeah, but she.
Originally, we find that out.
Her original plan was just to find somebody.
Yeah.
But.
And she was.
Up on that.
And it's like you can't do that.
You can't just replace someone in your situation.
30:47 Yeah, and she's but what what if it had been like some like sweet, sweet girl, like let's say some 20 year old sweet like church going Angel.
Like would she have still done it?
Like I really, because I honestly, I honestly believe that she would have that it was just handy.
31:04 She found Millie, but I think it would have been anybody.
She wouldn't have cared.
She would have left.
At the end of the book, I think she kind of says or there's something that says that because she had a child, he held that over her and then, you know, it would have affected her child.
So she her justification was Millie doesn't have a child.
31:22 Like she could get up and leave whenever she wants.
Like Nina couldn't.
He had her over a barrel and then he would have taken her daughter so slightly.
I'm not saying that I would ever like think if you're in that situation, would you actually swap someone out to live your hell?
Like, I don't know, I suppose it's a person.
You are.
31:38 I don't think I would never like you.
You knew what kind of situation I came from, right?
Would you want somebody?
I wouldn't want somebody to have to deal with what I went through.
I would never put anybody in that position ever.
No.
So no, I wouldn't do it.
And I had kids with him.
I still wouldn't do that.
31:54 And I really don't think that she didn't have options.
I really don't because he wasn't, that wasn't her, his kid, He couldn't really do anything.
And if she'd have gone to social services herself and said, hey, I did have a breakdown, he's abusing me.
I'm scared for me and my child.
Social services would have helped.
32:11 Like I really don't.
This might be getting a bit deep, but there's so many women in these situations and they can't leave because they don't have anywhere to go.
Yeah, I don't need it in that.
Situation.
He's got all the money, she doesn't have the money.
She had a credit card.
She could have been siphoning money off of that for years and she didn't.
32:28 Why, why, why was?
That so yeah, but she did at one point because wasn't Enzo was like or was that him gave her the passport, some money.
He gave her money, I think, yeah, we had ways of it because he had a she had a credit card.
Now she could have gone and got groceries and said can I have $20.00 cash back too?
32:44 And he would never have known.
Actually doesn't show that on a receipt.
It's like she had no thought.
Like she's like, I just wanted to say because Serenity needed a fucking recorder for school and we don't have cash in the house.
We're debit.
Household yeah, I would entirely buy one of those because they.
33:03 'D do a lot for the winter festival.
Winter festival.
So I went and got the So when I went to the thing it just says I spent $25.00.
It doesn't say like that's just all it says.
And I doubt he was going from her receipts.
She gave me squirrely money away the whole time and she wasn't, and I really that was a real head scratcher.
33:22 Can we talk about the punishments?
So when I try to get my daughters to read this book, they're 17 now, which I'm not saying that's the age that you have to be to read it, but they are 17.
So I feel like they can handle like the weird shit.
And like one of my things was to tell them about the hair pulling thing.
33:37 And they literally looked at me like why the hell would I want to read that?
And I was like anything.
It sounds really good though, Like it's like psychological food.
And I was like, no, doesn't.
But we did go to the cinema last night.
We watched something else.
We watched Now You See me and they did the trailer of the Housemaid.
33:54 Lacey's woke up this morning and she's reading the housemaid.
So I'm like, let's talk about the tortures.
Yes, let's do that.
What could you actually, I don't think now I could pull one of mine out by the root like that is like to be able to do that and chat to it twice.
34:13 Yep.
That is so fucked up and so like on the realms of like, why would you even?
Why would you think to make someone do that as their punishment?
Well, didn't his mind do it for him?
Like, isn't that kind of?
34:28 Weird ship.
Yeah, Yeah, she says something.
We'll cover her later, but she just say something really weird.
And I was like, I don't remember that bit.
Yeah.
And it's quite telling.
Yeah, so obviously he was perpetuating what his mother did to him, which is kind of sad, but at the same time he could have broken that cycle.
34:49 But I'm pretty sure that what he learned to do was things that his mum had done to him.
I was.
Wondering where I landed with that.
Yeah.
100% but like you say, I've known people in like horrible situations where they haven't been treated right by their parents, but it's actually made them become a better person.
35:04 So I think you can take depends what sort of person you are, what you take from it, whether you buy into that and think that that's normal or whether you go break the light.
Fucking great.
I don't want to make one else feel like that.
I'm not going to do that.
So there was the hair pulling.
What was the other thing that he did?
35:19 The fucking bright light.
You can either sit in the dark or have the brightest light in the world.
Yep, and the books right now to have the heavy box books on her.
That was Millie.
That was always Millie, I thought.
You were.
Too.
Don't remember, you might be right, my memory is not great but I've just read it today and he definitely did that to many with the three like Yellow Pages, a book of torture and another book which I guess is a heavy book.
35:48 Yeah, I kiddies.
Yeah.
Horrible.
Or just even like being locked in, like to me being locked in a room without a toilet hello, I wake up in the night and have to pee like that is not that is not good for me.
36:04 And only three little bottles of water.
Like, that was a thing, right?
This, that was a common theme when she's talking about like the three little bottles of bottles of water in her fridge.
And she didn't touch them, but she didn't know why they were there.
Well, now we know, right?
Yeah.
So you get.
Freaky, that is.
36:21 I'm not well, I don't know.
Is there people in the world that do this, make people do these weird things?
I would.
Imagine you just there's so much worse.
I think there also goes on in the world that there probably is somewhere.
Yeah, I bet there is.
I bet there are people this psychopathic out there.
36:39 Yeah.
Yeah, she obviously didn't just get it out of nowhere.
Maybe she did.
Maybe she's just a twisty little weirdo.
Yeah, that's the other.
Thing you think when you read these books?
Why did you think of that?
Are you?
She may well have come across this at some point.
36:55 Like, like little.
Well, yeah.
She's a surgeon, isn't it?
Yeah, she's doctor.
She's a doctor.
Yeah.
It's fucking crazy.
It's fucking crazy the stuff that she comes out with and.
Then the whole and then the other bit I want to talk about was the whole setup with like the tickets to the show.
37:13 Yeah.
And then they go to the city, they watch the show, they obviously have this little thing and they go, it's only for one night and then is it straight away when they come back, I think they get back and Nina, no, Millie's gone to her room and she kept the programme.
37:32 It's not called that in the book.
I'm talking English, but it's like the pro.
What do you call it?
I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, another word for it in the book, but it's she's just like left it on the side so that she knows and then you're like, oh, she's angry with her, but it's exactly what she wanted So why?
37:48 I don't know.
I don't know what that was because she wanted them if.
She wanted Millie to know that she knew that was all that was about because she wanted to put Millie on the defensive.
But in all honesty, like she gave her that phone.
She was tracking her with the phone anyway.
She knows for while they went yes, the.
38:03 Phone.
Yeah, she knew.
She knew they were there.
She knew they spent the night in that hotel.
She was.
Happy.
She was, it's funny because like watching her unravel and then like the first part of the book, watching her like lose her mind and do all the crazy stuff.
38:21 And then you kind of see why it's still this time around.
I don't feel like it was right.
Like the first time I read it, I was like, oh, I get it now.
And now I'm like, no, I don't think you handled this right at all.
I enjoyed it the second time round.
38:37 I mean, I was skim reading, so I was, we, we had kind of like a deadline, so I was skimming it a bit.
But I don't know, I feel like I enjoyed it more.
I feel like I picked up a lot more on like some little details, especially at the end.
Oh, I loved it.
I really, Oh no, I really enjoyed it.
38:53 But this time around I didn't like anybody.
I like no characters, None.
They were all deplorable as far as I was concerned.
What about Enzo?
I didn't like him either because at the end of the day, you know, there was a part when Nina had left and he was, he spoke proper English to her for the first time.
39:14 Like what was the harm in finishing the sentence just because Andrew was there?
Like he stopped.
He could have said he was like no, not.
And then he stopped talking and walked away because Andrew was right there.
Why didn't he just say what was going to harm saying?
He's fucking nuts.
He's nuts.
Get the fuck out of there.
39:29 Yeah, he's like a big fucking.
Scared him, Yeah.
What was he?
And I'm like, you know what you could have said?
She's leaving because he's batshit fucking crazy.
You're in danger, get out.
39:44 And he's still going to finish his fucking sentence.
Rather than walking away, be walked away.
And I'm like.
And when I reread today and the whole bit where him and Nina had a thing and I was like, what?
I do not.
Remember, it didn't go anywhere.
They were just kind of like.
40:00 You just checked after he like helped her and then they had a little goodbye.
Yeah, he had to get his, you know, reward.
She enjoyed it though of.
Course she did.
Could you imagine having a sleep with a fucking crazed lunatic and pretend you enjoy it?
40:17 Could you imagine being that woman where you're scared shirtless of this fucking monster and you have to protect Yes Sir, True.
Knowing that you despise him like I like I want to puke in my mouth.
Vom.
Yeah, total vom.
40:34 Yeah, it's disgusting.
I really, but I I don't know, I just this time around I'm like, I enjoyed the story, but I hated everybody.
Nobody was no one was redeemable here.
Like even Nina's like so-called friends.
We're all like fucking smash talking her and I'm like, if you have.
40:52 For that, yeah.
I'm like, if you were her real friend, you'd know the real story, You know what I mean?
She would have.
She would have told you what was happening to her so clearly you people are just superficial cock suckers.
Like I really didn't like anybody.
I was really.
41:08 Like I still like Millie because all the shit she done was actually to even protect herself.
Or like the original when she went to jail was to protect someone else.
Then obviously this whole thing that she went through she did to protect herself still still rate her.
41:23 Like she went through that when she was really young then had to come out try and find a way.
Obviously landed in the fucking nut house with them too.
Take her husband.
I'm sorry.
She still didn't need to do that.
And it seemed normal the first time.
41:38 When I first read it through, it seemed logical.
You know, he's given her attention, he's not happy with his wife, blah, blah, blah.
But this time, and I'm like, no, this was not OK.
Like you don't just come in and start like cleaning somebody's house and go, oh, I want your husband in your home.
41:55 You're acting like crazy to me.
I'm going to take your shit.
Like, I don't know, I just and I'm wondering how I'm going to feel when I read the next in storming, because I think I'm going to now just to see where I put Millie now that I've got a new.
I'm going to carry on.
And you know what I feel like when I've read a book, I probably did when I was younger, I used to read a lot of point horror for that.
42:15 People of my age group, we used to read point horror.
So I probably reread those.
But I didn't expect to really go back and read stuff.
And I'm really glad that I did go back and read this one because I've really enjoyed reading it.
Yeah, you're not a rereader.
42:32 No, not really.
But there's there's too many new books to read you've been doing this for, you've stayed on this track for years.
I'm catching up now and there's too much new shit that comes out.
There's lots of different authors that I like.
Yeah, there's too many new, new books to read.
42:48 Sorry, I'm going to reread these ones.
It's so fucking hard because I have a book of the month subscription, so every month I pay for like a credit and then you can get add-ons.
While here in Canada buying books, a hardcover books like $40.
You do book of the month you pay.
43:03 Yeah, it's really pricey, like.
That is a lot.
It's insane but if you do book of the month you get like the first credit for it.
In Canada it's like $28.00 but each book after that's 15 and you can load the books up, box up to five books and I can't help myself, I do it every month and most of them are untouched.
43:22 Are you a hardback book reader or a paperback?
See what I normally do?
Is really irritates me.
I read paperbacks because it's easier to hold them and there was one time I had a hardcover book and I was falling asleep and it hit me in the corner of the eye.
43:39 Gave me a black eye.
Sorry.
Explaining to people they're like what happened to you and you're like, I hit myself in the face with a book.
Yeah.
Sure sound like you're the lying or you're a fucking idiot, OK?
So I but I do call this deep reading all the time, so I would probably believe you I but I do that with my Kindle so I could have the lights off and then.
43:57 Yeah, well, I read reading in bed with the Kindles easier because Mike likes to watch TV at night time, so having a lamp on sometimes distracts.
So my Kindle is much easier for that.
But I like hard covers for like on my shelves.
And I've got this thing about like, I laugh.
44:15 If you like a hardback, see really annoys me when a book comes out here, like sometimes you want to read it for book club and it's we just done the new Lisa Jewel.
Don't let him in.
Yeah, which was OK, but I could only get the hardback or pay like a quite a lot for a Kindle book and I won't pay a lot for a Kindle book.
44:35 I'd rather buy the book.
Yeah, see the.
Fact.
I don't appreciate a hardback.
I'd just rather it as paperback.
But authors, can we stop doing this?
But I know they do it because then they it's sales and people will buy the hardback because otherwise they wouldn't buy the hardback and they're more expensive and blah, blah, blah.
But we don't want them.
I know about Amazon.
9 times out of 10 Amazon will when the book drops like Quicksilver.
44:56 You can get the hardcover and the paperback.
You can buy either and it's cheaper to get the paperback anyway.
They drop them at the same time Amazon does.
Not in the UK.
Yeah, they do here.
They don't here.
OK, right.
45:12 So let's even it up then, people.
Can we have the same for Canada and the UK then?
Because we want the paperbacks.
We overpay for books like if you look, I don't know if this one's going to have the pricing on here.
OK, so USA pricing $30, Canada 37.
45:27 That's actually not that bad.
But there's some of these books where like the the book will be $20.00 in the US and it'll be 37 for us.
That's not the exchange rate.
So I'm fucking close.
Like why are we paying so much for books?
Cheeky bastards.
Yeah, I have to admit I have been a bit tight with like what I want to pay for a book.
45:47 But when you read a good one and you've got it physically, you know, like I'm even now, obviously like I've said, I don't read, I haven't read a lot apart from the last two years and most of it has been kindled.
But I do have to keep buying these books.
So I actually just need a bookshelf.
I don't have a bookcase bookshelf, anything.
46:03 I've got a little one in my bedroom, which is to be honest, it's got more with the kids books than mine.
So that is my next buy that I want.
But it's really annoying because the one place in my front room, and this is going to sound so ridiculous, that's where the Christmas tree goes.
You have to find a new spot for your Christmas tree.
46:20 Have you thought about putting like wall shelves up then?
Like maybe just have shelves?
I have pictures all around my front room I don't want to remove, but I have got a landing which is not massive but is also not used for anything else.
So that is probably where I'm going to put it.
46:37 But yeah, I don't think I'll be bothered about hardbacks, but maybe once I start doing it and I get like a hardback shelf, I'd be like, Oh, no need to call back.
They look so pretty and I've got this obsession with sprayed edges, sorry.
And then I yes.
46:53 And then my hook bookmarks and I just sit them on top and everything's just perfect.
Oh your hook bookmarks are amazing.
Love them.
I love mommy need.
One I'm just.
Because I do only try and read.
I read my Kindle like when I go to sleep, but obviously I'll read that anyway.
47:11 And then sometimes I have a physical book that I'm reading.
But at one point I had two books on the go.
I had to keep remembering where I stopped and I was like, I just need another book thing from you.
Yeah, I can send you something.
Well, I like that because I can't use my hook bookmarks because Charlaine will pull them out and then so I have to get, I made magnetic ones so that she can't.
47:36 It's not so easy to pull them out because I don't know where I'd stop sometimes.
I have met this girl and she was like, oh, I just remember the page and I'm like, yeah, I'm like, what?
Even if you like, stop reading it for a week.
She's like, yeah, I know, I know where I'm at.
47:52 Hang on, just, and I'm also assuming because we're not all weirdos, that we stop on a chapter, but even then I still don't remember the chapter after reading and go, oh, no, I did read that one.
Then you go, oh, did I read that?
Then you start skimming and you're like, and then you read it.
48:08 You go, oh, no, I've forgotten.
Then you go, fuck, I've read that.
Yeah.
And you've already 10 pages in, so you've just wasted time.
You know what I did?
So I got.
I waited for months for an audio book for in the library.
I finally got it.
I listened to it, OK, And I'm like, I was all right.
48:25 So I went to review it and I had already had a copy of it last year and I'd already reviewed it.
I.
Didn't remember it.
I didn't remember nothing.
It didn't even ring a bell.
I'm like, I'm like, who wrote this fucking review?
48:41 I'm like, it's like last year.
I'm like.
Who stole my identity and reviewed books in my name?
I'm like, and it was funny because I really didn't like the lead woman in it.
And I wrote that in my review last year.
So it was pretty much what I would have written.
48:57 I'm like, Oh my God, I'm like, I read this last year.
I can't remember.
So again I remember the.
Book before and then halfway through gone.
This is starting to feel like I know what's going to happen.
I think I might have read this book years ago.
Thing has happened to me once.
But this was only a year ago and I didn't ring a bell the whole time I was listening.
49:16 Did not you're?
Reading like 600 plus books a year Again, I cannot believe that you can actually get that many books in, but if you're reading many I feel like some should slip through the cracks.
Well, that one really did that one.
That was embarrassing, man, because I waited ages for that fucking book from the library.
49:33 Ages, ages and ages.
What was it?
Can you remember what it was?
The predictable life of somebody, Finch.
I kind of remember the fucking title.
I just listened to it.
I don't remember stuff though.
This is why when I did read the Housemaid this time for us, I did write notes literally on every chapter and then I skimmed from like Reddit this morning.
49:54 Obviously there wasn't a lot of notes, but just because I was like, I'm going to forget shit.
Yeah, what I wrote.
I had that bit fresh in my mind.
What I wrote notes when I read it because we were doing chapters when before, right?
Like we had set so many chapters per week and I had notes and then when I listened to the audio book yesterday, I changed my fucking notes.
50:15 Like I had black notes originally for it and then I wrote new ones in pink and I changed my mind a lot.
So I really feel like anyone who doesn't listen to audiobooks maybe should, because sometimes it can really change your perspective of a book.
It really can.
50:31 When someone says, I read this book and it was horrible, I'm like, well, if you tried the audio book, you might like it.
Like some of us, I don't know if you've ever read it because it's probably not in your wheelhouse, but I read a book called Remarkably Bright Creatures.
I have had I've heard of it, unless haven't read it.
50:47 It's like, it's so good.
My friend Rosie recommended this for book club and because she spoke about it and said it was an octopus and something and maybe it talks everyone was like fuck off that's stupid.
Yeah, well, somebody can't recommend in this fucking book to me, okay?
51:03 And I'm like no, no, no, no, no.
And she was like seriously, OK, do the audio back.
And I'm like, I'm like, OK, you know what?
Fine, the library had it.
So I did.
Oh my, fuck it.
I was hooked.
Because the octopus, he doesn't talk.
We just, we get his perspective every other chapter.
51:19 So he's in his tank, he's like upset that he's not out in the sea and whatnot.
And the lady that cleans his tank is really nice and he helps her like, do stuff.
And he sneaks out of his tank.
He gets into all sorts of fucking shit, OK.
He sneaks out his tank, he steals stuff.
And you get his perspective and he's like really smart and the stuff he's saying.
51:36 But the audio book was brilliant and it sounds.
Like a kids book.
It sounds like a kids book.
The octopus that sneaks out of his tank.
He's just like his, but it's hilarious, the audio book, the way he does his voice and he's talking and like all the family stuff.
51:53 Like, I think if I had read this book first, I would have DNF it.
I would have stopped reading because it's magic was in the audio book.
It really was.
And then I read it after, because I already had like the voice of Marcellus in my head, you know what I mean?
52:09 Yeah.
Honestly, I think audio books really have a place in people's reading rapid.
One of my favorite audio books that I listen to.
Maybe not favorite totally of the story, but just because of who the author was.
So it's Ruth Jones and I don't know if you know that is where you are.
52:26 No Ruth Jones for my England peeps.
Ruth Jones and James Corden did the programme.
Gavin and Stacey, you said that.
I know the show.
Jones has written.
What did you just say?
I've seen the show.
Cool.
So Nessa in the show is Ruth Jones, and Ruth Jones has written a couple of books and they're very much like not a thriller.
52:48 It was kind of, I can't remember the name of the one that I read, but it was 3 or 4 generations of women in the same family and they're different stories and then how they interlinked and stuff.
And it was really nice.
But it was nice because she did it and I really enjoyed it.
53:05 I think.
And we'll find out what it is.
But she has done a couple.
But when did I agree?
It's like good reason I don't.
Know what does she read?
What does she write then?
What genre is she like?
A I don't really.
Know what you'd call it?
Because it was just like their story as different women of different age groups.
53:24 And you know, there's like shit that.
Happens family.
Yeah, kind of this one was anyway OK, Audible, but yeah, it was really good and I really rated it I I've also done a couple of John Mars on audio books.
I'm I'm in I'm in the middle that I have read a John Mars that I think a lot of people like, really loved and I was like, it's one which was.
53:45 No, you bet the family.
Yeah, I was not.
I was not yet but.
I made us what?
Lies between us is it called?
That one have you?
Have you done his Dark Future series?
54:01 No.
OK, do you have to start with but one the one that book was so fucking brilliant.
I've actually got the book upstairs.
I don't know if I ever read it but I feel like they did a Netflix of this.
I think they might have.
54:16 They may have.
My ifs not, but I it was a very, very long time ago, but yeah, I'm I'm definitely up for a John Miles.
OK, we can definitely do him.
You killed me first, John Miles.
That was a good one.
I did all his Hot Future books.
54:32 I did all six and the Minder wasn't very good.
That was probably the only one I didn't really much heard.
Of that one.
Yeah, it's like these people have all this like secret knowledge buried in their DNA and they will start to like, go a bit crazy, like they get reset.
54:49 And it just, it wasn't, the story didn't move in a way that I needed it to, and I wasn't that interested or invested.
But the Marriage Act was really good.
I've really enjoyed that one.
And the one was brilliant.
I feel like I've read that like years ago.
I feel like it's still set on my Kindle.
55:05 It may have like he writes these books but they kind of crossover a little bit but not enough that you can't read them a stand alone because I didn't read them in order.
Like the one was the only one I read that was in the correct order.
The rest of them were all over the map.
But like the chick finds this thing in our DNA where you can find your exact perfect match.
55:23 I mean, wouldn't that be so fucking handy about now?
It would.
Could you imagine already being married and thinking that you're with your one and then actually you match with somebody else?
This is the one, though, isn't it?
Yeah, yes, yes, because that's on the show, isn't it?
55:38 And then it's like, you're not each other's one.
Then you're like, because yeah, very handy.
If someone could actually make that, please could.
You imagine if you ended up being matched to like a man in his 80s, because that's that happened in the book too, right?
Like somebody got matched, like young matched up with somebody that was.
55:55 Going to go with if he's an absolute arsehole.
Oh, you've got match with a woman and you're not a lesbian.
You didn't know because that happens in the book, a two men, they match to each other and they're not gay.
They're with women.
You fucking imagine that or your match is already dead.
No, you just thinking alone, like, I can see the pit bulls.
56:15 But the book was brilliant.
And John Mars, like I posted about him and he reposted it and thanked me.
Yeah.
You're such a good book.
What is it book influence?
I think I'm technically a book influencer, but book it's funny because someone was like, I they book review and a book influence.
56:40 I'm like, you can't do both.
I said, because book reviews are for readers and book influencing is for the author.
I'm like, so which are you?
And she's like, oh fucker, don't I?
But don't you review and?
I do, but I, and I do when I get books from the publisher, I don't post anything under four stars.
56:59 So that is for the author.
Now if there's anything that is under that, I just post a book blurb about it.
I don't rate it.
I don't say anything about it because I'm not supposed to drag sales down.
Sorry.
If you see me post something that is lower than a four-star, it's literally because I'm not influencing for that book.
57:19 But I try.
I try and keep my feed positive.
I don't want to post things about books like you don't want.
To because I've, I was reading a post the other day and it's like, oh, it's like people talking about this certain book.
It's just in a Facebook group.
Yeah.
And then some people going in hard like shit and other people's like, but you think that book was great.
57:37 I didn't.
Or vice versa.
But that's why you shouldn't go off what people say.
Like if a book speaks to you, like read the book.
Because we're all different.
We're all going to have different opinions.
And just because someone doesn't like it doesn't mean that you won't like it.
Exactly and.
That's I like that you don't try and like write negatively about a book.
57:57 I will.
If I don't like something, I will post it on Goodreads.
So I don't like it.
But my biggest problem is what if I read a book and I don't like it and somebody reads my review and says, Oh well, I won't read that then.
And that could have been the best book they ever fucking read.
Like I don't want to be, I don't want to do that to somebody because I hated Gone Girl.
58:19 I think it was the worst book ever fucking written.
I really, I got, I owned 3 copies of the fucking thing.
I don't even know how that happened and I and I actively hate it to the point where if I ever saw the author, I'd punch her in the face and I'd love the rest of her books.
I would.
58:35 I'm like, what the fuck is this shit?
What did you waste my time on?
I hate it.
I'm well known for my hatred of this book, but.
It's such an unpopular opinion.
Everybody loves it.
If I do not remember actually reading the book, but I remember that I had read the book and watched the movie and liked all of it.
58:52 Yeah, So that is the and, and this just reaffirms my point of you shouldn't smash books because other people might love them, but.
I read the book because everyone was talking about it and I don't like to follow the hype.
Okay, when people say, oh, this book was so great and everyone talking about it on TikTok and books to gram, I automatically think, remember gone girl.
59:13 Remember that you picked that book up because everyone was raving about it and you and you now I don't take anyone's opinions ever.
Now, like JC was like, have you read this book?
And she thought gone girl was good.
And I'm like, I'm not reading that.
If it's anything like that pile of crap, I'm reading it because I don't.
59:29 I can't.
I don't trust people's opinions.
I give my opinion.
I don't trust other people's opinions.
I don't.
Yeah, but that's just because we all have different tastes, isn't it?
Like I always say, a book that I read that I didn't think, like this was a book club book.
I haven't got the first one with me, but I've got the second one here.
59:46 Bob Mortimer, the comedian, wrote a book called The Satsuma Complex.
I rated it five stars.
And I was shocked at myself.
I really enjoyed reading it.
And I don't know if it's because I got to sit down and read sort of most of it.
I just say for like 2 days.
And I was fully engrossing it.
1:00:03 I liked the story.
I liked the whimsical kind of feel because he's talking to a squirrel sometimes and it's so silly, but it's really like funny but in like a kind of deadpan.
Bob mowed him away and it was really funny.
I'm literally reading the second one at the minute.
1:00:19 This is the Avocado hotel.
I struggled a little bit.
Yeah, I.
Juggled a little bit, but because I picked it up I read about 80 odd pages and then I had to reset for book club.
That was an actual physical book and I put it down.
So I started again and then I was like, shit, I've got to keep reading this book.
1:00:36 But I have kind of put it down and picked it up, which I think might be why I'm not enjoying it as much.
But have been solidly sort of picking up from last week.
And it's getting a bit better, but the story's not really progressing as quickly as I'd like.
But if it's anything like the first one, maybe it's a little bit more towards the end, I don't know.
1:00:54 But you wouldn't think you'd like a well, I wouldn't have thought that I would have liked it, but I've really enjoyed it and I love the cover of the first one.
It's like bright blue with a big orange on it, like very colourful, great on your.
It's crazy sometimes I've sold it.
1:01:10 Have you read the series You?
With the haven't read it.
I've obviously watched the Netflix but that is on my Goodreads TBO.
OK so I read book 1 and I was like OK it's OK.
And then I started book 2 and I I stopped reading it.
1:01:26 I did not enjoy it.
I think the show is so much better than the books, and I never say that ever.
You won't ever hear me fucking say that about anything but the books.
I'm like, Joe was such a fucking creep.
And in the TV show, obviously he is as well.
But I could see how women would be attracted to Joe on the show.
1:01:45 But in the book I'm like, oh, he was giving me the heebie fucking jeebies.
I'm like, I'm like back run, run, run.
Oh, he's doing.
Review I don't know how they I mean, I don't.
I love Penn badly in like Gossip Girl and I loved him in the film, but attraction wise, I think he's one of them guys.
1:02:04 It's like I don't get it.
No, I.
Always say good for you but obviously not for the people that got with him but.
No, I'm not.
I could feel the charisma on the show, like coming out because I'm looking at him.
I'm like.
But in the book I just, I don't know, I just, I couldn't get on board with it.
1:02:21 It was really slow paced too.
And people rave about that fucking book series.
Rave about it, really.
Because it is on my thing but not on my radar right now.
You might have put me off, but I did love the show.
And actually when you say about his charisma, yeah, maybe not attraction wise, but I think some guys can talk you around and yeah, because he is all about you, isn't he like.
1:02:44 Yeah, that's the whole point.
Yeah, until he's not, and then it's because I like, have you seen the TV show Dexter I?
I've only literally watched 1 and I can't really remember it.
OK so I really love the show and I wanted to try the book series but I'd already read like I'd already seen the show.
1:03:03 Why did the audible books OK?
Because the author of the book narrates his audio books and it's fucking hilarious.
Like the Dexter on TV is good, but the monologue in his head is so much better.
In the books I was fucking dying of laughter.
1:03:19 Like I was walking around just laughing my ass off.
I was fucking crying of laughter.
With the book it was suck because he's like the things coming out of his mouth is not what he's thinking.
So you think something and says something out.
I was dying.
It was so funny.
It was so when I said I was watching you, they said you would like Dexter then because it's like a similar thing.
1:03:41 Dexter is really good.
The TV show is really fucking good.
Really, really good.
They just reloaded it and it's actually still just as good.
Really, really did.
That it's good.
It's and the book series is really good too and I think they ended it really well.
But I really enjoyed the Audible books, but I did originally start reading them and book 1 was just OK.
1:04:01 But when I listened to the audio book, it was so much better, so much better.
Obviously the story is different to the shower, but it's good.
It's really good good and I need new series in my life.
I just, I don't know what commitment issues I guess.
1:04:17 I tend to read a lot of standalones.
Do you mean series as in books or TV shows?
Books, but I really because most of them are fantasy to like that it's fantasy series are big, right?
Yeah, well, what was the last really big one?
1:04:34 Court of Phone and Roses.
Yeah, call thorns and rises and I.
Did read the first one because that was a book club book.
And then I started the second one.
I borrowed it of someone and I was like, I'm out.
I'm just not a fantasy girl though.
Like it would take a lot to get me quite invested.
And I think they can just be a bit too far fetched.
1:04:51 And I'm going to just relay this back to an example that I thought the other day.
You know, when we first started watching Charms, the TV series, it started off as normal people and they just had like one power and it kind of progressively got, I wouldn't say ridiculous because I enjoyed all of it, but yeah, I mean, it progressively got like more magical.
1:05:07 If it was not magical at the beginning, I don't think I could have watched it.
No, obviously these series are already like in a.
Magical world and it's and I'm like, I'm out.
See, for me, it's more like in A Court of Thorns.
And roses, the bar, the the boys or the hot book boyfriends all have fucking wings.
1:05:26 And women are like, yeah, my bad boys.
And I'm like, and a lot of these women will read like monster porn.
So I got yeah.
So I got a.
Book and I didn't.
Realize what it was but it was like this chick gets so abducted by aliens and like she wants to have sex with these weird creatures and I'm like I didn't know it was this and I I'm scared and I'm scared now.
1:05:53 And then somebody.
Was like, OK, well, if you've.
Read that.
You have to try the dinosaur books.
So it's like dinosaur porn.
These women are having sex with dinosaurs.
Like, how does that even work?
OK, dinosaurs are big.
Could you imagine how big a penis would have to be?
Where's it going?
Why are you hurting that buddy?
1:06:09 Quite seriously?
And these women are taught and they're talking.
So I'm in a group.
But these women, OK.
And they're all like, oh, yeah, I got so turned on by that.
And I'm like, I can't.
You know, what if I read smart in a book?
It just cringes me out.
Like it doesn't do anything for me.
I'm like, I'm more like, how long is this going to last for?
1:06:24 Like just make it stop.
I'm not a book erotica.
No, I don't book person at all.
I don't mind.
A little bit of spice people talk about.
Spice ratings, they get like 1 to 5 spice.
Like 1 is usually like there's a lot of kissing and touching and whatnot.
1:06:41 I don't mind around 223 Peppers but the second that there's no plot and it's literally him talking about how long he's licking her vagina for like I don't know what pages of that.
Like I don't need to know that she's squirming and pulling his hair at the brutes.
1:06:56 Like I don't need to know say a different word then my God like.
I don't.
Like I.
Like Bridgeton?
They have a little bit of sex in noise.
That's that's probably about the limit of the amount the TV series haven't read the book.
I love that I.
1:07:11 Do again, watching stuff like that on TV, like even on my own, I'm like, I feel uncomfortable.
Like I wouldn't class myself as a prude per SE, but yeah, I don't want to watch or read that.
OK, well then imagine that your 6 year old daughter.
1:07:28 Wants to watch Bridgeton and then it's like.
And I'm like, what are you watching?
She was like, Bridgeton, are they having sex?
I'm like, what are you doing?
She was like, I wanted to watch Bridgeton.
No, I'm like, no, no, no.
1:07:47 So she's a sneak because she'll use my account to watch things she's not supposed to watch.
She watched.
Wednesday, she's watched it like 8.
Times She loves that I wanted to watch Wednesday.
I never watched her.
It's so.
Good.
You've got to watch it and then.
1:08:02 Charlene has been like, I'm doing my rewatch of Gilmore Girls because, you know, I read my full books.
What?
I have my Gilmore Girls in the background and she has literally, I'm on another series, another season now because she's been watching it.
Oh my gosh, she's messed you up.
Like.
1:08:18 On a minute, I wasn't this far, yeah.
I fucking love Gilmore Girls, my girls.
Found it on their.
Own even last year or the year before and they've watched some of it and they quite enjoy it.
But I've rewatched that shit so many times.
I love it.
Well, I'm doing.
I don't know if you've been.
1:08:35 Like if you've watched any of my other episodes, but I was doing like the Read Like Rory challenge.
So I was reading a book off of her list because she's got like a book list of like 400.
Yeah.
So I downloaded the list.
And I've been reading.
Them.
And then I do a little talk about why I think Rory likes it, What did I like about it?
1:08:52 And then I write it with Luke's cups of coffee.
I need to, Oh my God, I need to listen to this.
Yeah, they're good.
It's a short episode.
I need to.
Find right so you can find this book list and online.
Yeah, but like in Read like Rory challenge.
1:09:08 It's the Read like Rory challenge and.
You'll.
Find the list like she has a lot of classic stuff on there.
I she, she had Anna.
They're on there.
I do not recommend that book.
It's I understand that.
It was like wild for the time and he was like this spectacular.
But yeah, never.
1:09:26 It's really fucking boring.
I finished what she did a lot.
Of Stephen King, so.
I did a.
Couple of Stephen King books.
Cujo was on her list and The Shining is on her list.
That's a good book.
And then I did Christine.
1:09:42 Fuck, that's a long book.
She does a lot of classics.
So what other books have I done?
But I've never read a Stephen.
King book.
Betty we do running man for book.
Club, but then we've changed.
It.
And this month we've swapped it out for this one, Midnight Feast by Lucy Foley.
1:10:04 I heard it good.
I heard it's good.
I haven't read this one.
Yeah.
Good, but I was quite.
Excited to read a.
Stephen King.
But then we.
I don't know why it detoured, but it did.
They're really big books.
Like I don't I think the smallest.
Book he ever wrote was probably thinner and that was still like 200 pages like his books are sizeable.
1:10:24 It like it penny wise that's 1500 pages yeah it's like it's something about yeah, we're audio book it's big like Christine was like 30 hours look that one I would say that is actually quite.
How many pages?
1:10:40 Is it big?
That's quite thick.
I'm not in June.
That's 400.
Pages.
Yeah, that's pretty 350 to 400.
Thrill is about right.
3 to 400, yeah, but this one's this.
Are my gene the writing smaller?
And that one to that one, yeah, the writing's bigger.
1:10:58 Sick they're.
By 400 pages.
To work that.
Oh, and there's you.
I'll shout to you, but.
Much shout out.
To you without knowing, sorry about that.
The Colorian.
The Colorian.
I love that, yeah.
1:11:14 That might be wise to if.
You were reading a book for the month.
Stephen King books are really big.
Like I think even fairy tale was 600 pages.
Like that's a lot of book to get through in a month if you're not much for reading Running man and I think.
1:11:33 Depends on.
Addition.
With page counts ranging from 100 and.
59 to 4.
Maybe that was a shorter one then.
Have you read that one?
I've read The Running Man.
Yeah, it's in the book because he wrote.
Under a pseudonym for a while, he wrote under Richard Buckman, yes, Yeah, we have most of.
1:11:52 His books.
It's funny because I was looking.
For a copy of Christine and I don't have one but I have 3 copies of Misery.
I'm like how did that happen?
And then Caitlin had, because my mom sent her a bunch of like older Stephen King covers of books because she went through a Stephen King phase.
1:12:08 And I'm like, I wonder if she's got Cujo.
And she did.
And I took it and I'm like, hey, I borrowed your copy of Cujo.
She was like, put it back.
I'm like, well, when I'm done, she was like, don't touch my books.
I'm like, you don't put the book back.
She took.
1:12:24 My copy of House of Leaves twice.
And I still don't have it back.
Now she's like, I want to do my project at school on it.
Can I take it?
I'm like, you're bringing it back.
I've seen her twice.
She ain't bringing my fucking book back.
That Cujo I was playing on my shelf until my House of Leaves copy is back in my You're holding it like in ransom for your own book.
1:12:44 I was going to read it too.
I was going to do.
I don't know if you've.
Ever read it?
Have you seen it like the way the pages are?
It's all like early text and like it's pretty mental like how it's like it's an experience in a book.
1:13:00 OK, I was going to do a podcast episode and I was going to do a deep dive and she hasn't bought it back.
So I can't I can't deep dive because she won't bring his fuck back.
And every month it doesn't come back, I'm.
Going to take another.
Stephen King book out of her drawer.
Yeah, fucking right.
1:13:17 She's got like.
Listening.
Bring her fucking book back.
I'm sure she will.
She remembers she she came home.
To hang out with us and she forgot to take her mail with her.
So it's piling up.
She just left it.
Remember to take the bottle of wine, forgot her mail.
Just them years of your life though that's not important to her.
1:13:36 She's got very many big things happening in her life.
Your book is not one of them.
Yeah, I know we're not happy.
Though but it was the audacity that is like, hey put that back please.
Like bring mine back then you want your book.
I want much.
1:13:52 So shall we talk about our book for?
Next month, because I agree.
Have an idea?
Let's hear it, given that it is Christmas.
Time next month.
December, I don't know when exactly we're going to film, Hopefully mid or just after Christmas.
1:14:08 Yeah, or the episode #2 I know everyone's going to be dying to listen to it.
Because we're so great.
I think we're hilarious.
I do but.
No doubt anyone else does, but I was.
Thinking yeah, I've read a couple of books by this author.
One was How to Slam Holiday, which I read on holiday, which I really, really enjoyed.
1:14:28 And she did How to Slay at Work.
It's Sarah Bonner, but she does a How to Slay at Christmas and I think that's quite apartment for December standalone, right?
Like I don't have to read the other books.
I don't have to read the other books as far as I know the other two.
1:14:43 Definitely weren't linked.
Yeah.
How do you feel about that?
I'm in.
I read all genres.
I read everything.
Like nothing.
You haven't read it before them.
No, I've actually never heard of this.
Author So this is going.
To be fun is on KU is on KU.
1:15:00 I actually.
Don't know, I will fight.
You know what, I reckon the other ones will.
Say, because that's probably.
I definitely didn't buy them.
OK, I'll have a look.
If not, my library will probably have it all.
I'll get it.
I'm not for anything.
Yeah, it's Kindle.
Kindle Limited.
1:15:16 Yep, it's there.
Oh, that's on holiday.
Oh.
Yeah, that's like Christmas.
Excellent.
OK, I'll grab that then.
For a girl that reads over 600 books a year, how have I found an author?
That you don't know.
There's so many authors out there that I don't know, and it's.
1:15:32 Funny, because I find most of my new authors on net galley, and if this person hasn't put their books on net galley, that's probably why.
Well, I really I especially.
Enjoyed.
Enjoyed how?
To slate on holiday so I definitely recommend that one how to slate work was.
1:15:48 Good, but.
I really enjoyed the first one.
OK, so yeah, it's a bit of like dark twisty thrillery type.
Funny book.
I like dark twist.
We do that for the next one and we'll work out a.
Date and then we'll do.
That, yeah, I'm excited.
1:16:04 So that was my plan.
Christmas anyway.
So yeah, no, I like that.
I'm happy with that.
Cool.
I feel like.
That was a really fun first episode.
I've quite enjoyed it, although if anyone's actually watching this they will notice I've been drinking Prosecco the whole episode so I may have enjoyed it more than.
1:16:27 We're 7 hours apart so it's fun but.
I have really enjoyed our book talk.
Yeah, me too.
Now for you guys that are.
Watching, you're going to know that we haven't set any social medias up yet.
We haven't set up our own channel yet, but you'll be able to find this episode and future episodes always on my channel, Adulterous Horror.
1:16:47 So you can find me on YouTube at Adulterous.
You can find me on Spotify at Adulterous.
I will set some stuff up because I think we're pretty settled on the name, right?
But we might, we might, we might still tweak it.
Yeah, we don't know.
We're still talking, but you can definitely find any updates on my social media.
1:17:02 So on Instagram, at the adulterous horror, on TikTok at the adulterous.
And I will make sure that I set something up so you guys can follow us completely and not just on my channel.
We hope you have enjoyed.
This episode and we will be back.
1:17:18 Just before Christmas or just after Christmas?
We'll keep you posted.
Have a great reading week guys, Take care.

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