Book Slayers

Bonny (01:09.228) I think it would be an interesting conversation, but then as I was reading it myself, because it's a reread for me, I'm like, ooh, what's she going to say?

I'm starting to get nervous.

Betty (01:18.798) You I feel like you know I don't like smut.

It was very smutty.

Verity, you're a dirty, dirty whore.

That's all I can say.

It was a lot.

Bonny (01:26.251) Yes.

Bonny (01:31.946) Yes, yes she is.

But I didn't find it...

It wasn't very smart.

It was just very smart for you.

Betty (01:39.21) It was for me because I don't like Smut but I'm sorry every couple of pages she was loving how much she's sucking his dick and it gets a bit much if I'm honest.

I don't believe anyone loves sucking dick that much.

Betty (02:00.974) Yeah, apart from that though, apart from the smutty side, I'm not gonna lie, I was quite hooked.

I was skimming, I was skimming a lot.

I part with some of the sex scenes and then after a while I was like, oh, here we go again, skim it a bit.

But the whole actual story and how it was unraveling, I was very, very hooked in the beginning.

Bonny (02:07.646) Yeah, well you really are, thank god!

Bonny (02:29.504) Ooh, in the beginning.

Betty (02:30.318) We'll come on to the end later.

But I've got a question for you.

So at the beginning, when Loan meets Jeremy, I his name then, when Loan meets him, and like the beginning of the book is basically she witnesses someone get hit by car.

She's now covered in blood.

He's a bit like her hero.

comes, gets her into like a coffee shock.

She's like quite a bit shocked, isn't she?

And like a bit stunned.

Bonny (02:33.746) Okay.

Bonny (02:50.668) this bike, Betty (02:59.914) and he ends up giving her his shirt.

I know stunned is a little bit of an understatement, isn't it?

But he ends up giving her a shirt and then she's going for to look at a job offer type thing to read, write this book in place of his wife, Verity.

How did I not remember her fucking name?

Here we go.

Or whatever one of those days.

Right.

But it was like.

Bonny (03:10.614) Mm-hmm.

Betty (03:24.692) What did you think about that opening?

And once you got into the book, and later on in the book we find out that he actually picked her as the author to write the books, what did you then think about that meeting in the beginning?

Did you think that he made that happen?

Not the crash obviously, but did you go back and think was he following her?

And he's, I don't know, it made me question why that happened.

Bonny (03:53.002) It's funny because if you have a look online, you're gonna have a split group of people that actually believe that he pushed that guy in front of that car, like knocked him off his bike.

Like there are theories, I'm not joking, there are theories out there that he needed a reason to be the knight in shining armor, like to have this connection because he should have been walking and nothing had happened when he approached her.

Betty (04:01.55) I didn't think.

Betty (04:08.884) Mmm.

Betty (04:16.61) Yeah.

Bonny (04:16.854) That's one thing you have to think about.

Two, if he did recognize her, is that why he helped her or would he have helped her anyway?

Like these are all things we don't know about Jeremy.

And honestly, like because I know what team I'm on.

Okay, I know what team I'm on.

But Jeremy, I didn't like Jeremy.

I don't like Jeremy.

I think he used what happened to his advantage.

Whether or not he did push the cyclist off their bike, I don't know.

Cause he must've been standing fairly close.

Like he must've been.

Betty (04:49.494) Yeah, and how would she do that though?

I'm not against the theory, by the way, but I don't know how that could have happened without her seeing, but sorry, carry on.

Bonny (04:58.614) What, would she have said?

She only saw what the accident, like they're on a busy street in New York, right?

So they're like, people are packed in like sardines.

Like, I don't know.

I don't believe that he pushed the cyclist off the bike.

don't, that's not, I don't believe that theory.

I think that he approached her knowing who she was though, and used it to his advantage.

Betty (05:07.756) Yeah, true.

Betty (05:20.27) 100 % and when she goes in for this meeting to see if she wants to take over writing Verity's books she's not really up for it at first because she sees Verity as a much better author and she's like how could I step in the shoes and she's literally gonna say no and then he sort of tells her and she obviously needs some money so he's like they're lowballing you, ask for this and tell him that you're not doing any press and that you can stay with your identity hidden.

And he was like, you'll get it agreed.

But do you not think that if she didn't already trust him, that she'd already had that meeting with him?

I mean, I'm not saying that he wouldn't have said that and it might have worked, but I think that I definitely helped her make a decision and that she trusted him.

Bonny (05:57.708) Yeah, well, it's funny because I like this is a reread for me.

So I have read it before, but I was looking at how Jeremy, when he sees her in the building before they go upstairs, that he doesn't seem surprised to see her.

Did you catch that?

Like she's like, well, what are you doing here?

Are you a writer?

Like there's all these things over here, but he doesn't, she doesn't say, Oh, he looked shocked to see me.

It's just like, Hey, nice shirt.

Betty (06:11.534) No.

Betty (06:22.316) yeah, I just took it as he's a bit of a confident bit of a cocky character and was just...

because he...

because you've got to remember she was also really hit up because she's just witnessed his accident but when she's speaking to him, I think, I don't know it's in the bathroom, but he's sort of like, I see this thing all the time.

So he's like not fazed by this big accident that's happened, whereas she was.

Bonny (06:47.028) No, what he said was, I've seen much worse.

And he pulled his daughter out of the lake dead, right?

Like how that would be worse in my opinion.

Like somebody getting their head splattered on the pavement I don't know versus my child dead in my arms, yeah.

So yeah, but that would have creeped me out.

don't know.

just, Lovin' is a fucking idiot because that would have been right there.

I'd be like, why would you say that?

Betty (06:51.566) Mmm.

That was, yeah.

Betty (07:02.808) Yes.

Betty (07:08.172) Mmm.

Betty (07:15.15) Yeah, it was odd.

I also think it's odd because they were kind of opening up to each other at one point before the thing, but he only mentions that he's lost one daughter, he doesn't mention the other, which I thought was weird back, which I'll go into later, but I think...

Bonny (07:17.577) He thought!

Bonny (07:21.482) Yeah.

Yeah.

Bonny (07:29.386) Yeah, it was weird, but I think it was because he was talking about what was worse, not that he had lost both daughters, it's just that one daughter's death was way traumatic.

Betty (07:40.589) Yes.

Betty (07:44.13) That's true.

That is true.

Bonny (07:45.63) I just finished it again last night, I went through my notes and I went through, because I had pages.

I had a rough idea what you were going to talk about too.

was weird.

Because we never plan these.

Yeah.

Betty (07:48.884) Betty (07:57.199) Did you?

No, we don't and we try our hardest not to speak to each other because otherwise if we speak off camera then we'll talk about something and then we won't speak about it so other people can hear so we always we always try and go and blind with each other's thoughts.

So what did you think about so she's going to take the job and then she moves into his house, stranger's house, she doesn't know him, she's not I'm not sure if she's aware of actually why Verity can't write the book at that point.

before she agrees to do things.

Bonny (08:26.601) She knows that she had an accident.

She had to sign the NDA.

Betty (08:30.686) yeah, that was it.

But do you not also, I know that she was having to leave her apartment as well.

And maybe if you're in that situation a bit desperate, but I don't know.

I don't know if I could move into somebody's house.

Bonny (08:32.054) She doesn't.

Bonny (08:43.254) The way he puts it out there is he's like, look, she has an office with 10 years worth of notes.

You're going to need to be here on a consistent basis to go through what you're going to need to write these books.

It did kind of make sense because he lives in Vermont, which is not close to New York.

So where would she have stayed in a hotel?

Who's paying for that?

Like it did kind of make sense.

Yeah.

Betty (08:55.502) Mmm.

Betty (09:02.67) Yeah, it is true.

does sort of make sense, it also doesn't.

Like imagine that being you, like, I don't know.

Bonny (09:10.506) I don't know if I would do it, but she has no choice because one, she's got no money, two, she's being evicted, and three, she can't get anywhere else because the eviction is now out there.

Betty (09:24.586) Exactly.

talking about the office, he's literally like, I've not been in there.

I can't make sense of it.

That's why you need to come and do it.

So she does and she Bonny (09:34.56) you believe that?

Wait a sec.

Do you believe that, that he hadn't been in there?

Betty (09:39.566) I believe that he went in there.

I have many theories about why he wanted her there.

Bonny (09:45.908) Okay, I'm excited for those!

Okay.

Betty (09:48.367) But like, Loan goes in there and she finds this manuscript very, very quickly, doesn't she?

Later on in the book, Verity, I think it might be in the letter, says that she couldn't find the manuscript.

Bonny (09:57.718) Yeah, six.

Betty (10:07.82) That's right, isn't it?

She does say that.

So how the fuck did Loan find it so quickly?

So what it makes me think, it makes me question Jeremy even more.

It's like he's planted it there for her to find it.

That's how I started feeling about it.

Bonny (10:22.508) And you might be right, but you have to understand that if Verity is pretending that she can't move, how much time does she have to go searching?

Betty (10:32.974) true.

Bonny (10:34.144) The nurse, he's up till midnight.

The nurse is back at seven.

Like how much time and energy can she get to getting out of bed, unseen, to get downstairs, to look through stuff?

Like it's probably not every night.

Betty (10:47.284) Also, it's very far away from where she sleeps because he's moved her upstairs.

That's the whole other thing.

Why did he move her?

He's got his reasons for moving her upstairs, but then she's further away from the office.

So it's like why?

Yeah, like did.

Bonny (10:59.136) Yeah, I don't know.

That's a really good question.

I always thought that she found it too soon as well.

Betty (11:07.308) Yeah, definitely.

So did you, so when you was reading it then, did you suspect Jeremy at any point that actually, even though you're reading the manuscripts that is written by Verity, did you ever question it was Jeremy that was writing it?

Bonny (11:25.396) Okay.

Do you really want me to answer how I feel about it now?

Or do you want to wait?

Because I also have theories.

Okay.

Well, let's start, let's start off with the fact that this book is loaded with unreliable narrators.

Okay.

I don't trust Lohan.

Who the fuck sleeps with a married man for fucking start?

Well, his damaged wife sleeps upstairs.

Weirdo.

I don't trust Verity.

I don't trust Jeremy.

Betty (11:30.27) or maybe not.

Maybe let's wait.

code.

Betty (11:46.914) Mm-hmm.

Bonny (11:54.816) Like I don't trust any of these core people.

Now why do you think Colleen wrote a book where we trust nobody, but we're supposed to decide whether the manuscript or the letter were, we had to pick one.

Which one, which one in it, because we're forced to choose.

You have to pick one.

Now why do you think she did that?

Betty (12:12.952) Yeah.

Betty (12:16.334) I don't know because for me personally, I've said it before, I don't like not knowing the truth.

I actually don't, but with this book, it's not I didn't mind it, but I was definitely leaning one way.

And I was quite certain it wasn't like the other book we read where it was like, well, what the fuck was it?

That Marcus Clewer book.

I was like, what the fuck was it?

This one, I was like, I feel like I know.

I'm not a fan of that book.

Bonny (12:26.165) You feel like you know.

Bonny (12:31.04) Yeah, exactly.

Bonny (12:42.208) You picked a size?

Betty (12:45.614) Yeah, I don't know, maybe, because it wasn't this her first like thriller.

I haven't read any Colleen Heaver, so I don't know.

Is this her first thriller?

Her only thriller.

So maybe, yeah, maybe that was just part of her idea.

Like, I know it's happened in other books, but I don't think it's as big a thing.

Bonny (12:46.592) You picked a snitch.

Bonny (12:54.417) I think it's her only one.

I think she went back to romance.

Betty (13:05.932) But you might know better because you read more than me.

I don't know.

Maybe because as well, I guess it starts a conversation, gets people talking, gets people arguing.

I've been on Reddit today looking and even though I think that most people from what I've read are on one certain team, which I'm on, there are some that are on the other team and I'm like, you're wrong.

I actually feel quite sure that you're wrong.

Bonny (13:26.378) Yeah, I know I've argued with people about this, but for me, I think she did it because she is making us as readers choose what's easier for us to live with.

What I think it's like a personality thing.

I really do.

So as a reader, what made more sense now for Loan?

She needed the manuscript to be true so that she could still Verity's life.

If you think about the logic there, it made it easier for her to say, Betty (13:52.108) Mm-hmm.

Bonny (13:56.204) I don't care about you, you are this person that this manuscript states.

Now, for Verity, having the latter be true is necessary because that's what she wants people to believe.

Now, whether or not which team you pick, that's what Colleen did to us as readers.

Now, do you think that a woman could write that in the first place?

Like, I know that she tries to say it was a writing exercise, right?

Now, who?

in their right mind could actually write these things about their kids.

You know what I mean?

Betty (14:27.106) This is what I struggled with.

So I am a twin mum, twin identical twin girls.

So, I mean, I find it hard to read stuff about kids anyway, but the way that she could write that, and like you said, it's supposed to be an exercise, but the way that she could write that and say that she was choosing one over the other and all them things, I just, it was quite hard for me to think about it in that way.

The things that I come up with to explain why she would be like that was, What was I going say?

was going to say postnatal depression that was never kind of diagnosed and then she always had this depression and she always had these like horrible thoughts like that could be a way to explain her behavior right?

But yeah I don't know like say we're going down the letter is true in my right mind I could never put pen to paper or even voice it even speak it even think it in my head that something like that could happen to my children.

Now, like in England, I don't know if you have this in Canada, we go like touch wood and then like, or if you haven't got words, you touch your head.

Because you don't, I know, I don't know.

Yeah.

Bonny (15:30.998) Yep.

Bonny (15:34.486) Yeah, that's weird.

Why wouldn't you touch if you're a man, you're Touch wood.

Like why wouldn't you go up here?

Betty (15:41.006) I mean in public that might be a bit weird.

I wonder if that's everywhere.

Is that in America as well?

Do people do this everywhere?

Touchwood?

No.

Is it in Canada?

Bonny (15:45.918) But you can say, look, I'm just touching wood.

It's a luck thing.

Bonny (15:53.292) I don't know, I actually don't know.

Mike knocks on wood, it's not touch wood, it's knocks on wood.

Betty (15:59.051) Okay, yeah, we just say touchwood But yeah, I just don't I I couldn't even like If they if that didn't happen how she could write that I'd just blown away like I get as an author if you believe the letter That she's trying to get in a villains mindset What about someone else's fucking kids?

All right about imaginary kids not someone else's why would you like I know that it was like supposed to be based on their own experience and stuff but Bonny (16:01.462) Yeah, I know.

Betty (16:27.7) I just don't think I could do that.

Either she had an amazing commitment to being an author or it's not true and she did do it.

Bonny (16:32.576) Yeah.

Yeah.

You also have to understand that, like, obviously I talk to authors now, that sometimes they have to draw from their own experiences because creating something out of nothing's really hard.

So they'll take a person and they'll turn them into something and that'll be people in their lives.

So she was supposed to write it as a manuscript, which meant she had to keep a certain amount of truth in there.

That was the whole point of the writing exercise.

So she couldn't write about someone else's kids.

Betty (16:47.469) Mm-hmm.

Bonny (17:01.536) because it was a manuscript.

was supposed to be, she's saying it's a fictionalized version of her life and it was supposed to be based around her actual life, but fictionalized.

Now, I know it can be hard for us because we don't write, but look at some of the books people write.

Stephen King is a crazed lunatic.

Like if you see what he, I know, but I bet he has done writing exercises to test that.

Betty (17:22.434) But it's not about his own family.

Bonny (17:30.316) prowess, you'd have to.

I'm telling you right now, you'd have to.

He's got kids, okay, and in it, he literally has fucking 11 year olds having an orgy.

Betty (17:40.014) Ew.

Yeah, but I think if you do it...

Bonny (17:41.256) I know, but my point is that authors can push the boundaries.

They can and do.

Betty (17:47.296) And maybe that's why I'm not an author.

I don't think I could and I think a lot of people reading it will read it like that.

Bonny (17:49.504) Yeah, me either, cause I can't.

Bonny (17:55.564) Yeah.

And that's, I know that's one of the reasons why it's, I know, I know what to my mom, but I know why people are fractured over it now because it's what you can live with in your own head.

What makes sense to you.

So I know where you already lie based on what you've said.

Cause I understand that as, cause you're like, that would never happen.

Somebody could not be that fucking psychopathic, but you also don't know.

don't know her as a person either, but like I said, I didn't trust anybody.

No.

Betty (18:22.829) No.

Bonny (18:25.408) body.

Okay.

Not only did Jeremy like say, well we live in Vermont.

So he has a house that's not really near anything and takes this very fragile woman because she is and he must see that there's no way he doesn't know that she's, know, pretty much one wing gust away from committing suicide.

Okay.

And he's got her going into an office where he's like, I don't like to be in my wife's head.

That's why I don't read her books, but he wants her in the thick of it.

Like so he's taking isolating her away from everybody.

Not that she had anybody, but he, I mean, maybe he did know that.

actually don't know.

And then it's like, here's my crazy wife's shit.

What are you making at?

Betty (18:54.915) Yeah.

Betty (19:07.726) Also though, it's weird, I know at the beginning she thinks that Verity read her books and liked it and that's why, but then it's like he did, so he's alright being in Loan's head and then I think she had a boyfriend who was a publisher, or not boyfriend, they were seeing each other, but he liked her for her books and then thought that she'd made like herself on the books, like the character.

Bonny (19:25.952) Agent.

Yeah, agent.

Betty (19:32.194) based on her and then I think he was a bit disappointed it wasn't like do you think Jeremy was the same he read the book and was like I like that vibe Bonny (19:38.88) Yeah, I think that was foreshadowing.

That is a brilliant point.

I actually do believe that.

think that was foreshadowing that the other boyfriend, the ex had felt that way.

And that is exactly what he was expecting as well.

But I also think that because she was so fragile that she was very malleable.

Like Verity was a force to be reckoned with, Like she was, I don't know, rip your balls off and feed them to the dog while you watch.

Betty (19:58.958) Yeah.

Bonny (20:08.49) And Lauren's like, dooo.

Betty (20:08.878) Yeah, yeah she was.

What about that?

sorry go on.

You finished your- Bonny (20:14.476) So it feels like, sorry, no, I was just gonna say like, then the whole thing about like, she feels like Verity's watching her.

So this house, it's not hers, where this woman could or could not be potentially watching her, and she's completely isolated.

And I'm like, I would have already have left.

Betty (20:33.422) That part where her and Jeremy, I think they're on the sofa and she sees her at the top of the stairs, that actually freaked me out.

I don't think a book has done that to me in quite a while.

know what I was saying to you the other day, we was talking about what we got coming up on the pod, which we'll talk about later, but I like, I wasn't saying creepy, like I want a bit of, and that did creep me out.

Cause when she was there, she's obviously freaked out cause she's on the sofa with her husband.

Then she's gone and she's like, what?

Bonny (21:02.454) Did I imagine that?

Betty (21:03.266) Like, yeah, did I imagine that?

Is she there?

Because how much, like, if she needs to be there.

Bonny (21:08.204) Hang on Jack, just wait a sec.

Just wait a sec, the dogs are barking.

Betty (21:12.972) I can't hear them.

Bonny (21:14.629) you can't hear it?

Betty (21:16.11) Hang on, let me get my train of thought back.

Bonny (21:18.156) Okay, carry on.

Betty (21:26.114) Where was I?

So if she did see her, which we know that she did because we know at the end she's not paralysed, but how was she faking it for that long being paralysed?

And also near the beginning of the book, think Lohan questions this.

I don't know if it's at that point actually whether it was before.

Jeremy's answer was no she definitely is I've seen the scans.

How is she faking it to doctors?

How is she faking it to that nurse that's in there every day?

How is she managing?

I think Lohan at one point shouts in her face.

She apparently doesn't move and has no, even if you was trying to be as still as possible, surely your pupils would go or something would give you away.

So how on earth has she been paralyzed for months and not paralyzed for months and nobody knows?

Bonny (22:14.71) Well, you know what?

It's funny you mention this because I just read Mr.

Mercedes, okay?

And in Finders Keepers, he's paralyzed in a bed, like with no brain activity, but he is faking it.

And the reason he's able to fake it is the medicines they give him basically dull all the senses.

So what the fuck, what are they giving her?

Betty (22:38.87) Yeah, because they do say that she has medication, but it doesn't say exactly what that medication is.

That's good point.

Bonny (22:38.998) because I wanted.

Bonny (22:44.114) No, because it's all numbing, right?

Like Mike takes meds for his back problems, but it's all numbing.

So I could probably like, and he wouldn't react.

Why?

Because it's dulling everything, the senses, because it's quite in the brain down.

So I don't think it would be terribly hard.

And if she's paralyzed, did she break her back or is it spinal or nerve?

Because nerves...

Betty (23:00.014) Because that was my question.

Bonny (23:10.494) It's a scan is, well, it doesn't show a break, but she's definitely paralyzed.

That's a doctor's decision.

Like she obviously didn't break her spine.

So how much of it, because I could go to the hospital right now and say, I have a stomach ulcer, my stomach is on fire.

And they go, well, you don't have a stomach ulcer, but maybe it's this.

Because that would explain the symptoms without scans, right?

Betty (23:19.758) Hmm, maybe.

Betty (23:33.123) Yes.

Yeah.

Bonny (23:37.632) Maybe she was paralyzed in hospital for a while and she started to get feeling back and just kept pretending she wasn't.

But there's many ways to fudge the medical system because they really, it's all about get a diagnosis and get the fuck out.

Betty (23:43.8) Mmm.

Betty (23:52.737) Yeah, yeah that's true.

Yeah okay you've helped alleviate that question I think because I was struggling with that but that does kind of make sense.

Bonny (24:04.428) Because it didn't make sense to me either because I wanted the same thing.

But after reading, Stephen King explains it quite well in that book.

I'm like, how did Brady manage to pretend for so long?

It's like, well, he was doped up.

there is no way.

But his brain was starting to come back on long instead of brain injury.

And I'm like.

Betty (24:16.963) Yes.

Betty (24:22.072) Mmm.

Bonny (24:22.572) and just get some walks out hospital one day.

How did you feel about, think, Verity at one point, she's having a conversation with Jeremy.

I can't remember.

Obviously, both twins die at some point, but she calls them, she calls them the Kronix, like played by tragedy, like this family.

So looking at like when Chastain died, is that how you say it?

That's how I was saying it.

Chastain.

All the kids have very strange names, by the way.

Bonny (24:40.289) Yeah.

Bonny (24:44.128) Yeah, that's how I be saying it.

Bonny (24:49.782) Yeah.

Betty (24:49.806) I mean, Harper is a bit more common now because of the Beckhams, but other than that, that's true.

Is that a popular name in America or is that, or like a name?

I've never heard it before.

Never heard Justine either.

But obviously she dies because she's got an allergy, but she's not even in the house.

So it's like nothing to do with the parents.

What did you think?

Did you think that was a genuine like accident?

Bonny (24:53.514) Yeah.

Yeah, crew.

I guess the pick-em- All Betty (25:17.582) Did you think, because obviously leading up we hear Varity talk about, I mean, was her favourite one, wasn't it?

Bonny (25:24.318) I so, yeah.

don't think that she did anything to her.

But at the same time, if you are, this really bothered me, okay?

If you have a child with a deathly allergy, don't you teach the kid to read the fucking packets.

Say it says this word on it, you don't fucking eat it.

Betty (25:33.07) Mm.

Betty (25:42.222) How old was she at this point?

I can't remember how old the kids were, the girls.

Bonny (25:43.308) Could you wait?

Bonny (25:48.596) I don't know, Trinity at seven, if she had a peanut energy, would be taught how to read the fucking word peanut.

Is it on the light, you don't touch it?

Betty (25:55.043) Yeah.

yeah, I don't mean that.

I just meant I can't remember how old she was.

know you said.

Bonny (26:00.04) I know crew is like five at this point and the twins were the older, yeah.

But I'm like, it makes no sense.

Betty (26:08.626) I imagine if I had a child who had that severe analogy, they'd only be staying at someone else's house, I was so good friends with the mum that we spent so much time together that she would already know so much about it.

I think that would be a real struggle for any parent to let their kid out of their sight if they had that bad analogy.

Also, she should have had an EpiPen, so why...

It all seemed a bit weird, but I actually don't think it was anything to do with the parents.

I think it was...

Bonny (26:32.01) It did seem weird.

I don't either, but it made me wonder if there was something more to it.

Like, I don't know, because there is a kid at the school here, she has a peanut allergy.

It is dangerous.

Like they don't allow peanut anything into the classroom.

She wears a special bracelet that says this.

She has a special lunch and like she knows, like she's in kindergarten, she knows the word peanut.

And if anyone offers her food, she's just to say, no.

Doesn't matter what it is, it could be a banana.

It's a no.

You don't know if someone touched that with peanut butter hands.

Betty (27:04.045) Yeah.

Betty (27:10.732) Was there any part of you?

This is one of my theories.

So we hear Verity's side from the manuscript, right?

And we hear that she has like a favorite twin.

Jeremy gets annoyed at one point, he's like, you only ever talk about Justine, blah, blah, blah.

And that's her point of view.

There was a part of me at one point that flipped it.

So I was like, Verity's writing about Jeremy, Jeremy's favorite was Harper and he gets annoyed whenever she talks about Justine.

And did he do something like, we don't know who drops the kid off, we don't know what happens.

Did he put something in her bag?

he, did he do anything?

I don't believe that did he do anything, but I do wonder whether Verity's version was her speaking about him.

Did you ever cross, did that ever cross your mind?

Bonny (27:56.382) It's funny because there were times where it felt, I could feel where I thought it could be truth and where I thought it could be fiction, but she'd picked it up from somewhere else.

But yeah, I guess I'd never considered that.

That was some smart sleuthing.

I like it.

Betty (28:09.389) Mmm.

Mmm.

Woo!

Thought about it.

I think though a lot of the way through the book I...

Oh it's not that I didn't believe the manuscripts but I also I don't know why I just had bad vibes off of Jeremy.

I just thought you know like you said he got low into that house.

I explained earlier that the whole thing where she found the manuscript really quickly, it was almost like he was finding someone that would back him up to be like, if something come up, like he's, he'd had someone like on his side.

It's not just me, he found the manuscript.

She, she can tell you that she read it and she killed Harper.

Do you not like, I don't know.

There was something that was very off about him, especially we'll talk about it later, but especially when you get to the end of the book.

And I was like, see.

Bonny (28:46.806) Yeah.

Betty (29:03.86) even though it doesn't, I don't know, there's too many questions and too many theories, this is the thing with this book, too many theories.

Bonny (29:09.748) I know, this is, but this is why the internet went feral when this book came out.

Feral, I'm telling you right now, people were willing to like, like go toe to toe, like to the death with swords.

Because.

Betty (29:22.028) I'm excited to see how they do the movie.

Bonny (29:25.324) I am intrigued because they're to have to, we're going to see things.

And I know, yeah, well, I heard that I think they're going to give us an answer with the movie.

Betty (29:30.637) Abuse in the co- Betty (29:37.166) Shut up.

Bonny (29:40.05) I heard that Colleen had mentioned that our, team we are on is going to be fully revealed.

Because I have to.

Betty (29:50.087) I've actually read, I read someone else's review, I don't know if it's on Goodreads or Reddit, and they said that she had said something about a character being evil, and I was like, aha, I know it is.

I know you've done it.

That will be really good closure for me.

Bonny (30:05.962) Yeah.

And I do know what I actually think it's very smart because now people that maybe weren't amoured with the book will go, well now I need a fucking know I'm going to watch the movie.

It's clever marketing if you think about it.

Betty (30:17.248) Yeah, yeah, because then more people are going to want to watch the movie.

I mean, we're not definitely right in our thoughts.

So I will definitely be watching it to find out if my team is right.

But have you seen the cast?

I quite like the cast or the two girls anyway.

It's very tea.

Bonny (30:31.562) No.

You know what?

yeah, I don't like Josh Hartnett.

That's who they picked for the...

I'm pretty sure it's Jeremy, Betty (30:38.262) Is that who's going to be Jeremy?

Yeah, I wasn't bowled over with him, but I like Anne Hathaway.

And who's, is it, is it Dakota or is it Scarlett?

Can't remember.

Let me Google.

Who was going to be Loam?

Verity cast.

Dakota Johnson.

Yeah, Dakota Johnson.

Dakota Johnson.

So yeah, I'm quite excited for that.

think.

Bonny (30:56.46) I knew that Anne Hathaway was playing very well, I Betty (31:07.722) I checked UK release and Canada release October.

So yeah, I'm excited to see that.

Bonny (31:13.718) nice.

Okay.

I think I might go watch that at the movie there.

I spent a long time since I've been to the movie there.

And it's Something I want to like, like the whole thing about Jeremy and Loan too, if you think about that, okay, Verity had the control in their marriage because she was like, you don't know how else to put this, but she was like the control and he was the subject.

And then he gets Loan in there and he becomes the control and she becomes the Betty (31:19.406) Yes.

Bonny (31:42.686) you know, the lesser being like, so the power structure shifts for Jeremy.

And I wonder if that's one of the reasons why people don't like him either, because all of a sudden he's got, Ooh, well I can control her.

I was being controlled.

Now I can control her.

Like I know we don't know what kind of parameters happen within their marriage either.

Like, cause all we really have is the manuscript.

You know what I mean?

Exactly.

But one of the things that I did notice is that Verity, Betty (32:03.724) Yeah, we've only got very least point of view.

We don't know what's true and what's not.

Bonny (32:12.072) according to the manuscript, she was obsessed with Jeremy.

Like, he has to love me the mostest.

Like, this is unacceptable otherwise.

And Loin become obsessed with the manuscript and the version of verity that she was getting fed.

And then Jeremy becomes obsessed with the control of all of it, because it does feel like he puppeteered a lot of it.

But let's say he found that manuscript, he believed it to be true, but who's going to believe that?

He needs a third party to find it now to validate how he felt about it.

Whether or not he was like, I know that this was a writing exercise and I want to make my wife look nuts or whether or not it was a genuine, oh my fucking God, and threw it in a box, it's like, someone needs to deal with this.

Betty (32:45.912) Yeah.

Betty (32:57.176) But also, if he, so at one point, I think in Verity's letter, I think she alludes to, or at some point, it's like, it mentions that he's already read the manuscript.

And when he does it with Lo and it's the second time, am I making that up?

That is true.

So, where am I going with this?

So if he's already read it, but then she has this car accident, which we don't know what happened, we know what the book is telling us.

Bonny (33:13.129) No, is, that's true.

Betty (33:28.972) He doesn't kill her off or do anything to her because she's already paralyzed.

She's already like, but then why would you still look after her if you believed that she actually killed your child?

I don't, that doesn't quite sit right with me.

But then is it that he brings in Loan to find this, get her on side, and then he's got a reason.

I'm gonna go to the end.

He's got a reason to kill her.

He's got a reason to kill Verity now, because now he's got someone else to back him up to say what has happened.

What do you think about that?

Bonny (34:06.016) Yeah, but why would you go that route?

These are some of the things that really bothered me because the truth in this book is subjective.

You can decide what works for you and what doesn't.

So you get to pick your own adventure.

Like it's all about your perception of what you think happened and what actually happened because we don't know.

So you were picking and choosing what makes more sense to us.

But if you think about the logic, okay, you got into that car accident.

If she hadn't have been driving, her seatbelt bruising would have been on the incorrect side, okay?

I'm a CSI person, right?

So if she wasn't driving, the belt would have bruised on the wrong side because when you get into a car accident, you always bruise.

It would be on your shoulder, it would be on your chest.

It will show exactly where the fucking seatbelt was.

She was in the driver's seat.

Betty (34:41.326) Betty (34:51.478) What if she was trying to kill herself though and she didn't wear a seatbelt because she was trying to kill herself?

That's the only flaw in that.

Bonny (34:58.86) They would have said the same thing.

If she was trying to kill herself and she'd been in the driver's seat, it would have been, while she wasn't seatbelted in, how did she stay in the car?

She would have gone for a windshield.

Betty (35:11.116) so, okay, yeah, this changes things.

So she did try and kill herself then.

Bonny (35:17.396) I'm not saying that that's what happened.

What I'm saying is that she was definitely in the driver's seat.

Jeremy was not driving because the first thing that a cop would have looked at was where's the bruising?

Because that's the first thing CSI's do.

It's where's the bruising?

Where's the blood?

Because they have to.

They have to make sure it wasn't a crime before anything else.

Betty (35:31.7) That is such a good point.

Wow, you should be a detective.

Bonny (35:39.2) I should be, but I'm really, I'm too invasive and people will remember me.

Like there was this woman here.

She's asking a lot of questions.

She was very loud.

Betty (35:46.701) Yeah.

that kind of does my theorem.

Okay, what about this?

So there's a whole bit in the book about Loan and her sleepwalking.

And it's like, at the beginning, we know that she wants a lock on the door, which I think sounded a bit normal because she's in someone else's house, like she'd appreciate a lock.

Yeah, like.

Bonny (36:05.292) fucking right!

Betty (36:09.71) You just want something but in the end she puts Hank in front of the door which I thought was just to more the noise would alert her if someone walked in.

As the book gets on we find out that she sleepwalks.

So at one point in the book she wakes up in Verity's bed.

Which I thought like obviously if that's true that she's sleepwalks I'm not saying that it's not true in the book.

But it's like, don't know where that part of the story went.

I don't know where it was going.

Nothing come of it.

Like, you didn't get anything more out of it.

What we did get is that Loan had to tell Jeremy about the sleepwalking.

The mum's shit scared of her because of how she slept with when she was younger and she like jumped off a fence or something.

But the way that the book described it was that her mum was like terrified of her.

And I'm like, I don't get that.

Surely her mum should be terrified for her, not of her.

So that was a really weird part of the story for me.

And I don't feel like I've, I've either missed something or it was just what Colleen Hoover was trying to do to explain why a lock on the outside of the door needed to be there.

That's how then it felt because it, you're going to answer this, aren't you?

Bonny (37:13.99) I had a theory about it, that was all.

So I think the whole point was that I think that there's background that maybe Loan did stuff when she was younger and she was dangerous when she slap walked.

Like maybe she tried to throttle the mum.

And I didn't know whether or not Jeremy knew this because Jeremy knew a lot about Loan.

Betty (37:15.981) Cool.

Betty (37:38.627) But then we as readers don't hear anything else.

Like if there was something like that in it, then it would put her in the frame a bit and kind of explain like her part in the end of the book.

But it doesn't go any further than that.

It felt to me, it felt like she was just reaching for why there would have to be a lock on the outside of the door.

If she'd gone down that route and did what you just said, I would have been like, okay, I get why it's in there.

But to me, it kind of felt like a bit of a dead end road.

Bonny (38:06.378) I think what they would do, I think Colleen was trying to show that there's things about Loan that we don't understand either, that she's not the victim here.

Like she's not a pawn.

It feels as though we're supposed to be side eyeing her a little bit too.

Like, I don't know, I got the feeling we weren't supposed to trust anybody.

And that's what it did for me was it was like, well, there's clearly things we don't know about you.

You want to lock on the outside of your door, but you unlock doors from the inside when you can get out.

Betty (38:20.942) Mm.

Betty (38:35.288) Yeah.

Bonny (38:36.842) I don't know, are many things that I, yeah, Loan is, I don't like Loan.

Betty (38:43.02) Well no, let's talk about at the end when, hang on, don't know if I've skipped past the letter.

Mind you, we have spoken about the letter.

Bonny (38:53.174) We haven't really gone into detail yet, but yeah, let's do that.

Betty (38:56.396) What should we do first?

Bonny (38:58.336) Well, let's have a quick talk about like the fact that the manuscript is literally her explaining how she was obsessed with Jeremy.

She tried to harm, kill her children.

Like her obsession with Jeremy was at like red alert level, right?

And she comes across as being, yeah, like a psychotic, cold, calculated, and the manuscript is basically her confession.

Like she wants people to know that Jeremy is hers and she doesn't care if she kills her kids to get them out of the way.

Betty (39:12.802) Yes, so.

Betty (39:25.998) Thank Bonny (39:28.298) Now let's go to the letter because I think we covered a lot of the manuscript stuff in our chiches.

So how do you feel about the letter?

Betty (39:35.499) Right, so you know I said I really enjoyed the book, I was hooked.

When I got to Letter I was like, this is such a let down.

It felt like what I've just described about the lock, it felt like how can I make this work so that we now doubt both sides?

I know she magically writes a letter and it says, that's not true.

Hated the letter, hated the whole idea.

I think she could have done so much more with this book.

It didn't lose me.

I was still reading it, but after I read that I was like, is that the end?

Because I think it goes straight to the epilogue after that.

And I was like, thank God there's something else.

No, the letter didn't do it for me.

I was really cross about the letter.

I wish that if she was...

wanted it to be a question, she'd done it in a much better way, because to me, she had what she wanted us to do, she wanted us to pick sides, and she did it in really cheap way.

Did not fail for me at all.

Bonny (40:22.922) Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know what she would have done instead though.

Like how, like she knows she wrote the manuscript.

There's no pretending she didn't do it.

How do you give your side out there?

Like how do you do that?

You can't.

Betty (40:38.762) I don't know, but I also, I also, well, I think we're going to give away for 100 % what team I'm on now, but I am team manuscript.

The letter is even if it like, I think it's shit the way it was done, but if we go by what happens, the letter is her getting out of everything that she said.

And that's how it read to me.

was another manipulation.

was too much...

The letter is supposed to be to Jeremy, right?

There was too much explanation of all the things that had happened, which Jeremy would have known.

So if it was just for Jeremy, she wouldn't have had to explain everything the way that she did.

The letter was for Loan or someone who she was expecting to be in his life at the time or for someone else to find it.

It was never meant for Jeremy.

It was meant to exonerate her from what she'd done.

That's what I think.

Bonny (41:28.534) So logically.

Betty (41:31.404) here we go dog.

She's got an opinion.

Bonny (41:32.108) Sorry.

It's because Mike walked in a minute ago.

If you think about the logic, okay, somebody writing a manuscript saying all these horrible things that they did, that's not enough evidence to put anyone in jail.

So why the fuck is she worried about it?

For starters, I could write whatever the fuck I want on a piece of paper and say, it was a writing exercise.

What are the police going to do?

There's no evidence to prove that I did any of these things.

So.

Right there, I'm like, none of this really makes sense because you can't prove that I did any of these things.

Me having writing stuff down means fuck all.

It's all inadmissible.

So why was she so worried?

Like, why was she trying to find the manuscript to get rid of it?

Why was it such a big deal?

If Jeremy was so dangerous, why the fuck would you stick around?

Waiting for him to maybe kill you?

Betty (42:21.142) Yeah, I wonder if, even though don't believe the letter was written for Jeremy, it was written for other people, I wonder if like maybe in her death that she didn't want him to believe that she still wanted him to be obsessed about her even if she wasn't around.

She still wanted him to love her even in death maybe, I don't know.

Bonny (42:42.38) Yeah, maybe.

But have you never considered the point, because I know you were just saying like the manuscript, what if she was writing about these things, but really it was, she'd flipped it so she was talking about herself, but it was Jeremy.

What if half the things from the manuscript are true and half of the things in the latter are true and maybe they're both the villain?

Betty (42:43.555) Well.

Betty (43:03.342) Maybe.

I would buy into that theory.

I don't like either of them.

I think they're both, I don't know what it is with Jeremy, but, and I guess like the ending as well, like.

Bonny (43:07.788) Because we don't...

Betty (43:16.398) he quite easily kills two people at the end.

He doesn't seem to think, he's not bothered about the guy that got killed at the beginning.

There's something unstable about that guy, but it's never really said in the book.

And I don't know if that's me being a bit like, oh, it's the man.

Cause actually I quite prefer when it's a female villain or a female, like, do you know what I mean?

So don't think I do have that.

What is it called?

Not misconception, like judgment.

Stereotype stereotype.

I don't think I have that stereotype, but do I and I'm not thinking it I don't know I did you sank about him that I do not trust Bonny (43:51.392) I didn't trust anybody.

don't feel like we got the truth from any of it.

I think that they're versions of the truth and we are supposed to pick which one works for us.

Betty (44:06.488) So was you just to confirm your teen manuscript, right?

Yeah.

I've seen a few people on Reddit and stuff that are like, because they actually like the idea that she was innocent, he was the controlling one.

She pretended because she thought he was gonna kill her.

And then at the end, she's obviously written these awful things and that's the reason he kills her.

And it's almost like...

Bonny (44:10.518) Yeah, yeah, I never believed the letter was.

Betty (44:34.67) Not, I can't find the right words today.

It's not poetic justice.

It's not like unfortunate.

It's just like, it wasn't true and she got killed for it anyway.

That's what people, they like that side.

Whereas I like it that she's the villain.

I just wanted, do you know what I wanted more of?

I wanted more of her like freaking people out being like.

Bonny (44:43.681) Yeah.

Betty (44:56.606) laid up but really like going around and doing shit like this was a question I had actually so crew goes and sits in a bed with her and at one point he's got a knife where's he got the knife from why is he stabbing himself in the guns it still makes me feel like she's being villainous like it's some way but I don't know I don't because Bonny (45:12.33) Yeah.

Betty (45:15.822) you know, as far as the manuscript goes, kills one of her children.

So is she trying to do it with crew?

Is she trying to make it that Jeremy's only got time for her?

I don't know.

I just prefer her being the villain.

But I also still think there's something wrong with him.

I just don't know what it is.

Yeah.

Bonny (45:31.51) There is something seriously wrong with him.

Hang on a sec.

You alright?

Bonny (45:39.116) Sorry, Mike's in the bedroom, I'm just making sure he's not trying to get my attention.

Betty (45:42.414) I love this so much.

Bonny (45:44.566) But yeah, I didn't trust anybody, but I do believe that the manuscript was more truth than the letter.

I feel like, but the biggest problem I have is that I don't feel like anyone is going to believe that you killed your kid based on writing.

I don't.

I don't believe that.

It makes no sense why she stuck around.

Like it doesn't.

If you're scared and you're worried about something, I don't think you'd stick around for that and wait for him to stick something in your fucking IV.

Betty (46:15.734) No, exactly.

No.

Bonny (46:18.09) It doesn't make any sense.

But if that was me, but yeah, but if.

Betty (46:21.11) and also she must have a lot of money so why couldn't she just like one night get crew out of bed fuck off like surely you can just drive anywhere get money out like she's got time to it's not like she ain't got time to think about it Bonny (46:29.935) And leave.

Yeah.

It's not like she's poor!

Bonny (46:39.02) All day, every day.

I don't know, just never made sense to me that if he was so dangerous that she'd stick around.

But at the same time, I never truly believed that he wasn't dangerous.

It just, her explanation didn't work for me.

Maybe I needed a different explanation as to why she was in danger.

Betty (46:43.127) you Betty (46:54.21) Yeah.

Betty (46:59.5) Yeah, maybe.

But is that, yeah, yeah.

So then, so let's just wrap up with the end of the book.

So the end of the book is like six months later, Loan and Jeremy have moved away because obviously now she's pregnant by accident.

Did you, did you sense the tone?

She's pregnant by accident.

Bonny (47:00.876) Because I feel like Lauren's in danger.

Betty (47:20.236) They've moved away so that they can be together without people knowing.

They go to the beach one day with crew and she's got the baby and then a woman from who was like friends with Verity bumps into her, starts asking questions.

Jeremy's immediate thing is go to the car, I'll sort this out.

I was like.

That was too quick for me.

wasn't like, shit, we need to move, shit, we need to fuck up.

Like, this woman could never see them again.

Do you know what mean?

I know they'd moved to that town, but she doesn't know that.

She's there on holiday.

He said they were there on holiday.

Just fucking move again, move further away.

His immediate thing was, I'm gonna drown her in a puddle.

And that's what, again, makes me question him, because he killed Verity quite easily, and Loing not physically helped, but she helped.

And then he kills her, which it just makes it Bonny (47:54.304) Control.

Betty (48:08.502) still I'm excited for the film because I'm hoping it's really going to explain all this stuff.

Bonny (48:13.318) I hope it does too and it's not just a marketing tactic to get people to watch.

Betty (48:17.804) What did you think of the epilogue?

Was that a release with the original book, by the way?

Bonny (48:23.02) are you talking about the bonus chapter?

Betty (48:27.101) You call it bonus chapter it was called epilogue in my on my kindle because I heard people say bonus chapter Someone took a picture.

I was like, oh that is what I read.

I hope it's what I read.

I hope there's not another bonus chapter Bonny (48:39.06) No, I think it might be the epilogue.

Yeah, it wasn't in the original book.

And it really made me hate Jeremy more.

Betty (48:43.253) It wasn't.

Betty (48:49.646) Yeah, I...

I don't know what I was going to say.

You'll have to cut that out.

My mind's just totally wandered then and just went somewhere else.

I...

What did you say?

If that book...

This is I was going to go.

If that book got released without the epilogue, that would have made me so much angrier.

If it just finished there, I would have been f...

Bonny (48:59.724) We did a lot.

Bonny (49:14.144) Yeah.

Yeah, I did stop there.

Yeah, I Betty (49:17.492) I actually thought that was going to be the end and I was like wait, my Kindle says I've got like another 45 minutes to an hour or however long it was, half hour I can't remember and I was like what?

And I turned the page and I was like good, epilogue.

Even that made me cross but I felt a little bit more, not the story's completely rounded but I preferred it with the epilogue, put it that way.

Bonny (49:31.232) Yeah.

Bonny (49:37.694) Yeah, for sure.

Betty (49:40.118) So what did you rate it out of five stabbies?

Cause I've got a horrible feeling.

Bonny (49:46.974) gave it four originally and I didn't change my opinion on it.

Betty (49:50.409) okay, good.

I thought I saw on Goodreads you put five.

I must be wrong.

Did you do 4.5, Amanda?

Four, good.

Okay.

Reading the beginning of the book, I was like, shit, this is gonna be a five star and I'm not, but I probably would have marked it down half just for all too much sex, because it's just not my vibe.

Not because I hate the Bonny (49:55.018) Maybe I did.

Okay, well, it's a four now.

It's a four now.

Bonny (50:13.3) It's Colleen's Vibe.

Betty (50:15.798) Yeah, I won't read any of her other books.

Just because of the sex stuff, it's just not me.

Then I got it down to a four.

Then the more questions I had, I was getting cross with that.

But I think it does raise a good lot of good discussion points.

Bonny (50:21.644) toxic men in her books.

Betty (50:33.728) and it's good to debate it with someone and like try and work it out.

So I'm going to keep it as a four.

But I've only just decided that during this conversation.

Part of why I didn't write it, one, don't ever want you to know what I've rated a book that we're going to talk about.

I was flitting between a three and a four just because I enjoyed until the letter I was really invested.

I couldn't actually put it down.

So I would absolutely recommend it as a read if you haven't.

Bonny (50:45.256) I know.

Betty (50:57.73) because as well, in October, you're gonna get the film.

And I do like that to compare.

So yeah, I would definitely recommend it.

But yeah, it's staying at four stabbies for me.

Bonny (51:07.946) Yeah, it's funny because I loved it so much when it first came out.

I was obsessed.

But this second read through, like, actually I can see where the writing wasn't as good as I thought it was.

That there were some things in there that I think she could have done better.

it put me back into the thriller mindset, which I really enjoyed.

So originally when I read it, I was like, woo.

And now I'm like, okay, I can see the flaws now.

Sorry.

Betty (51:35.542) Yeah.

Bonny (51:35.712) Yeah, I'm going to be changing on good reads to a four.

If it's at five.

No, just I'm realistic now.

Now I've done a read through again years later.

It makes sense that I over inflated it.

Betty (51:39.912) demoted.

Betty (51:51.476) Years later, when did it come out?

Bonny (51:55.815) Um, I think I read it in like 2018 or 19, somewhere around there.

I think.

Betty (52:00.811) Wow, I thought it was a newer book.

Did it just like get a lot of traction on socials then for some reason?

Bonny (52:06.828) It's been one of those books because people can't decide which one it is, like team manuscript, team letter, and the movie's coming out.

So it's brought us all back to, you know.

Betty (52:16.792) But I feel like people saw about this before the movie got announced, I might be wrong, but can I just say your memory is phenomenal because it came out on the 7th of December 2018.

Bonny (52:27.165) I was fairly certain that I was pregnant with somebody when it came out.

Betty (52:29.71) That is insane.

Well done you.

Even though, do you know what, and I don't know if anyone else, I'd be interested if anyone else feels like this, my memory is quite bad and it's not been brilliant today.

I have been working hard today, but I feel like when we first started doing this, I was having to write a hell of a lot of notes to like remember what was happening in the book and make sure I all stuff in.

I've actually not been doing that recently.

I've been writing notes like a couple of days before like.

once I'm finished, but not even like massive notes, like I used to write out like all of the chapters.

So I do think there's something in reading as like a health thing that like helps your memory and stuff.

Do you agree?

Bonny (53:06.464) Yeah, it does.

It really does.

But I also have the worst brain fart sometimes.

Like sometimes I forget the stupidest.

Betty (53:12.074) yeah, today I've not been perfect, but I've had moments on this pod, if you haven't heard them yet, I'd go back and listen to some, because some of them are literally like, I can't remember the book.

I think it's someone's name, it's the main character.

But yeah, I'm definitely getting better.

So reading is a health choice, is my parting advice.

Bonny (53:23.732) It's fine.

It's R.

Bonny (53:32.586) Yes!

keeps your brain sharp.

Well, not mine.

I think I'm too old to rebuild those skills, but yeah, it does.

I remembered things from Verity before the reread.

And I remembered where they were coming up too.

So yeah, does, I guess my brain works sometimes.

Betty (53:40.238) you Betty (53:46.094) you Betty (53:52.281) I like it.

Shall we?

Obviously next week's edition is mini-pod, so we'll be picking a few different books each, but shall we say what the week after's next deep dive will be?

You do it.

Bonny (54:05.802) Let's do it.

You do it.

Betty (54:10.318) Why?

No, I did the intro.

I did more work than you today.

Shut up.

I need to check the author's name, but I do think I know.

we've been looking at our, have a little sort of back catalog of books that we would like to do, and we're going to go a little bit different and we're going to go the Da Vinci Code.

Bonny (54:11.444) I did the intro.

Bonny (54:31.638) Yes, we are.

Don Brown.

Betty (54:33.086) This book, Dan Brown, that's it.

That's what I thought in my head and then I couldn't Google quick enough.

It's funny because Stacey moved to Canada how many years ago?

Bonny (54:44.492) in 2006, so it's been 20 years.

Betty (54:47.406) So when you left the country, you left me a couple of books and two of them were Dan Brown's books.

One was The Da Vinci Code and I think I've got Angels and Demons as well.

So I'll be reading a book that's a very old original probably copy of The Da Vinci Code.

I'm quite excited.

It's quite a different, I mean, I actually don't know if I've read it but I think I've watched the film but like years ago.

But it is a thriller more like, is it more like a bit of an action thriller or?

Bonny (55:11.498) Yeah.

Yeah.

Betty (55:17.154) What vibe is it?

Bonny (55:17.932) I you could say, I guess you could put it in that category.

Cause there is, yeah, there's a lot of really good stuff in there.

I really enjoyed the books.

I've read them a couple of times.

This is going to be like my third reread, but it's been a long time.

I'm excited.

I'm excited to see what you think.

Before I met Mike, so probably 2012 ish.

So it's been a while.

Betty (55:21.537) I'm not even sure what...

Betty (55:34.284) You're going to reread it?

When's the last time you read it?

Betty (55:43.213) yes, you should reread it Yay!

I am super, super excited.

Just so that everyone knows coming up, we're gonna start theming our monthly mini-pods and sometimes with the main book as well.

So for next week, we're not gonna reveal yet, mainly because I didn't write them down, but we're gonna theme May as horror books.

Bonny (55:45.193) Yeah, it's time.

Betty (56:08.812) So we're gonna do some good horror, thriller, vibey books.

I started one yesterday, I can't remember the name, it's The Whisper Something, but it's more of a psychological horror.

So it's a bit in the middle of like thriller and horror, I think, and it started off well.

So I'm really excited to see how that goes.

So make sure you join us next week for some horror vibes.

Bonny (56:13.025) Yes.

Bonny (56:19.936) Yes.

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We hope that you have the reading week you deserve and we will catch you next week.

Take care readers.

Betty (56:50.926) See you soon.

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