Book Slayers

Stacey Wright (00:01.176) I'm hidden in plain sight, painted into masterpieces, whispered through symbols, protected by secret societies and murder.

One man died protecting the truth about me.

What am I?

Tonight we slay the clues.

Betty (00:24.738) Welcome to Bookslayers, where we put dark fiction books on trial and break down whether they committed crimes against their readers or if they get full acquittal.

We have moved into a conspiracy that will have your hair standing on end.

The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown.

Let's get into it.

Stacey Wright (00:41.56) Yeah.

This book?

Yeah!

Stacey Wright (00:48.238) Now for any of you people that live under a goddamn rock and you have not seen the movie or read this book, it's basically about a curator in the Louvre.

He's murdered and he leaves clues all over the bloody floor.

And he was supposed to meet with Robert Langdon and the French police believe that Robert Langdon had something to do with it.

And this is where it all starts.

Langdon literally ends up.

dropped right into the middle of the conspiracy and he has to help the granddaughter of the dead guy figure out what the fuck happened.

There you go.

That's my synopsis.

Okay.

It's all you're getting.

Jack, why do you think this book literally blew up the internet when it dropped?

Betty (01:39.334) I think it blew up because it had so many questions around like the church and like the whole story of Jesus Christ.

I think I was going to mention actually at the beginning of the book, like the first page of it, Dan Brown literally writes, there's like a page and it says facts and then it's got all the facts and it's like everything.

It kind of makes you believe that everything that he's written is true.

He's obviously taken some, I don't know what the word is like, right?

Yeah, that's it.

Yeah.

Stacey Wright (02:05.466) Creative liberties, creative license.

Betty (02:09.038) But do you know what, bearing in mind I did watch the film years ago, I couldn't remember it to be honest, but I don't think I read the book.

But when I read that I was like, oh, it's true then.

As I was going through I was like, why have I not really heard all this?

Why is that not a big thing?

But I think that's why it was so big, because I think it made a lot of people think that that's what really happens.

Do you know?

Stacey Wright (02:30.628) So you, as a person, don't believe that Jesus was a real man and that he had a wife.

Betty (02:37.614) no, I'm not saying that.

I'm saying that it questions the story that we've already been told.

That Jesus was not really, it makes him like he's not human.

And if this is all true, then he is just one of us.

And then maybe he had a child and there is still people who are descendants of Jesus Christ.

I fully bought into it because I believed that it was like what he'd said was true.

But I've Googled after and a lot of historians like completely write off the theories.

I'm like, because it would be such a- Stacey Wright (03:05.464) Right off what fairies that he was at the Son of God?

Betty (03:09.13) No, right off that he was married to Mary Magdalene, that he had a child, that he was just a great leader, but he wasn't the son of God.

He was just a man.

Stacey Wright (03:20.41) That's so funny because this is one of the things you have to understand, Jewish men literally had to marry.

It was law.

So how did he not get married then?

If what you're saying is true that he was just this prophet and he was just out there doing his thing, as a Jewish man, it was his responsibility to take a wife.

So why didn't he?

Betty (03:41.442) Yeah.

Is that like by a certain age?

Like how old was Jesus when he died?

I don't even know that.

so by that time he would have definitely have had.

Stacey Wright (03:47.682) He was in his 30s.

was in his...

He should have had a wife.

So why didn't he have a wife when his religion taught him to have a wife?

I don't think I believe that historians are correct in saying that he didn't.

I just don't think we know.

Betty (04:04.106) No, because there was a part in the film where, what's the guy's name?

It was Lee, Tibbing.

I always want to say T-bag when I read it.

Sully!

Betty (04:17.23) So can't say teabag, you know why?

So Tibbing explains about Mary Magdalene.

But then he quotes something that's a passage in the Bible that I presume is true.

I haven't fact checked this, but it says something along the lines of why did he love her more than the rest of us, as in the other disciples?

So I was like, when I was reading it, didn't know it was true or it wasn't true, but I was fully on board with this kind of, I guess, conspiracy theory is what we would call it now.

Well was quite fully on board of it, it's only after I'd finished reading it and was looking up it was very like quickly like no that's not true and I was like but it all really kind of made sense to me like especially when it was going into the painting and that they say it's Mary Magdalene in the painting so I was like was it I thought it was just the disciple so I pulled up the picture as I was reading it and I was like yeah it's a girl Stacey Wright (05:08.026) It is a car.

Betty (05:08.878) But they say it's not, that's how Renaissance art that Da Vinci would, I think it's called androgynous, where he gives like people male and female sort of looks.

So it wasn't unusual.

And there's another painting that was referenced.

I think it was John the Baptist.

There's one where he looks a bit girly, but also he's topless in that.

And you can clearly see his chest.

right in this painting because this is how much I've looked into it but in the one with the Last Supper Mary Magdalene it does look like there's boob going on or if it's what we think is Mary Magdalene so I can't be really bought into it Stacey Wright (05:43.445) I actually But if you go and look at Madonna on the rocks, you can see that those two people look almost identical.

So I do believe that it's Mary Magdalene.

I do believe she was a disciple.

I do believe that they were trying to squish the feminine.

I do, I still firmly believe that.

Because if you look at society today, the patriarchal bullshit that we have to deal with on a daily basis is still there.

And historians are well known for following the facts that suit their own narrative.

So I don't necessarily believe that, because you'll find historians online that will tell you that it is true.

You have to pick which side makes more sense to you, right?

Whether or not they were married, I can't really answer that, but it does say that that was his companion.

Mary was his companion.

Whether it was Mary Magdalene or not is really, that's hard to say because the last name's not used, but companion was something that they used to call spouse.

That was word for partner.

So I don't know.

Betty (06:23.383) Yeah.

Stacey Wright (06:44.058) It was, it was, I did the same thing as you.

This book made me rabbit hole like a motherfucker when it first came out, but there was not really Google back then.

Like, you know, now where it's like, Oh, well, I'll just grab my, my, my handy dandy smut fin and I'll, yeah, I didn't have none of that.

So it was a real bummer.

But now I find that the internet, especially if you go to Google and you type something in and it will show you what they want you to see.

If you go to DuckDuckGo, it will show you.

Betty (06:52.652) Yes.

Betty (06:57.614) Yeah.

Stacey Wright (07:12.292) a million things they don't want you to see.

So I don't tend to trust Google so much because it literally indexes the things that they want you to see opposed to what you should be seeing.

But I thought it was really, I did the same thing.

I rabbit, rabbit hold the fuck out at two.

Betty (07:26.606) Yeah, I wish I had longer to be honest.

only, I I'd sort of, I watched the film last night.

I finished the book this morning.

Sorry.

I finished the book this morning.

And I was starting to look into it and it's like, I'm also working, I was also working today, so it's a of my lunch break and I just didn't have enough time to fully deep dive.

It's just like you said on Google, the initial thing is it's not true, but if it is true, the whole story, then it would need to be covered up because so many people have this faith.

And if they disprove that, like what would that do to that whole community of people?

Like there's a lot of Christians in the world, you know, so it would be like a massive, huge thing if it got out.

Stacey Wright (08:03.192) Yeah Stacey Wright (08:07.094) for sure.

But this is, this was one of the key parts of the book for me was it's true versus power.

And it's not like, it's not good versus evil per se, but it's like, whoever wins history gets to tell the history.

So think about who is giving you the information.

Think about where you're getting this information from.

And this is one of the things that I really enjoyed about Dan Brown was that he literally curates the religious and the science.

Betty (08:08.279) Yeah.

Betty (08:23.02) Yeah.

Stacey Wright (08:35.736) And he uses Robert Langdon as kind of like the inter, inter Mary of both.

So he's like, well, here's a symbology.

Here's the religious aspects.

Here's the science.

And he kind of stands in the middle.

And I thought that was really clever because Dan Brown doesn't sway either way, but he also takes things that are not real.

Like the priority of Scion, I don't know how far you went into your rabbit holeing.

Like this, it did exist, but back in like the early 1900s and it was abolished because the guy was a It sounds like it was a bit of a swindler.

Betty (09:09.068) Yeah, I think it there's Priory of Scion, if my Googling is right.

Sorry, you have to keep cutting out these costs.

It was actually founded apparently in 1956, whereas in the book, I think it's like 1066.

So there's a bit discrepancy there.

So I think he has taken some things.

But then I think there was a lot about what was it, the Templar Knights.

Betty (09:33.615) And I think that's facts, like that did exist.

Like they are the ones that brought around while we have Friday the 13th.

Cause that's the day that loads of them like was mass arrested or died.

Yeah.

So he is very good at like, but I think that's why it's quite believable because he does take the facts, but then he gives you this alternative option and all of it made sense.

And I really loved like all the symbol stuff.

Like the symbol like this, which I'm doing is like my two hands out pointing up like connected at Stacey Wright (09:40.356) Yep.

Died.

Yeah.

Betty (10:03.618) top and then the inverse on the bottom is like man and woman and that kind of makes sense as like the early symbol for man and women and they say that's in the painting and then it's it's in sort of symbols around the church and stuff like that so i think it's like really interesting how all the symbolism comes into it as well Stacey Wright (10:20.164) Yeah.

I thought it was very clever.

It's funny because Dan Brown literally took real things in history, made up a bunch of stuff, but made it seem like this could really have happened at some point.

And it's hilarious because if you actually look, there are people that have said in the past that they believe that Christ had kids, he had not just one, like that their belief was that he had spread his seed aplenty.

But I also didn't, I meant to fact check this, but I forgot about whether or not Jesus and Mary Magdalene actually came from royalty, because the whole point was that they were royal bloodline, right?

I didn't check that part.

Betty (10:59.674) Yeah, I haven't fact-checked that actually.

I've never really heard about Jesus before though.

I'm not saying it's not true, but that's never been a thing like, he was also royal, but then I suppose that would take away from God.

Yeah.

Stacey Wright (11:02.745) And I was like Stacey Wright (11:10.554) would take a baby in divine.

They're trying to tell you, they're trying to tell us that Mary literally got pregnant via nothingness.

Okay, fine.

And gave birth to a spiritual being that was basically human and managed to die.

Does that really make sense to anybody?

He died for my sins.

Well, I wasn't alive yet.

So don't see how the fuck he died for mine.

But Betty (11:28.877) Yes.

Betty (11:35.118) you Stacey Wright (11:37.038) How did he die then if he was a supreme being?

Surely he would have been, you know, if he was part Mary, part God, shouldn't he have been like part immortal?

Like what the fuck?

Betty (11:48.15) Yeah, yeah, no, well the whole thing really doesn't make sense.

That's why it's like faith isn't it you believe without without proof I guess Stacey Wright (11:56.194) No, the Vatican, there's like a billion people in the world are Catholic.

The Vatican is literally the richest country in the world.

What do you think they would do to protect the fact that their patriarchal society of men being at the top of the pyramid is actually wrong and women should be at the top?

If I was a pope, okay, if I was this big pope with a big fucking hat, I think I would spend a lot of money burying in that shit.

would, I'd spend a lot of money going, no, no, no, no.

No one called Stacey is gonna be wearing my fucking hat.

Fuck her!

Betty (12:27.246) Yeah, like you said, though, it's all about the power and there's obviously a lot of money that comes with that.

Like I was reading something about the Opus Dei, if that's how you say it, the other the religious group that's in the so it's a part of the Catholic Church, which I think they still are today.

But it was it said something along the lines of I haven't written it down, but it's saying along the lines of they'd built something in New York and it was like like a place where they all go and it was like 47 million.

Like it's like a lot of money that Stacey Wright (12:56.858) Could you imagine what $47 million would do for a community that doesn't need this fucking building?

Yeah, that's how wasteful the church is.

I'm sorry, I'm not bashing people that are religious.

I actually quite respect people that have a firm belief in something that they can't prove.

I would love to have that, I would.

We went to fucking Christ Church for fuck's sake.

We said the Lord's Prayer every fucking day.

I had serious problems with that back then.

Betty (13:04.589) Yeah.

Betty (13:14.254) Mm.

Stacey Wright (13:25.632) Egypt made it worse when I saw that they were fucking multiple dieties and some of them were women.

I'm like, what the fuck am I doing?

Betty (13:31.488) Yeah.

Stacey Wright (13:33.498) Like, fuck that.

And this moves nicely into my next point, okay?

So this book literally focuses on the sacred feminine.

And I thought Dan Brown was a really clever fuck.

Because you think about it, this book comes across as being masculine, right?

Like, book for men.

You know, the Da Vinci card.

It's Dan Brown, you know, like, dude's book.

But the whole book is literally about how the sacred feminine is actually the supreme goddess of everything.

And I'm like, you sneaky fuck.

I'm like, because now I'm like, Betty (13:59.256) Yeah.

Stacey Wright (14:02.552) You're the ultimate feminist, Dan Brown.

I go, but all your books, Dan Brown.

But do you think, like the witch trials, this is mentioned in the movie.

So they talk about the witch trials and how all these women were burnt at the stake because they were women, free thinking women.

And Mike was like, cause we watched the movie together, he was like, do you think that's true?

Do you think that's why they were killed off?

I'm like, fucking right.

It was.

They don't want women to think for themselves.

Betty (14:12.46) No!

Betty (14:24.833) Yeah.

Yeah, 100%.

And also, witches really, like I know people, like, it's not like, I don't know, I don't know what I'm trying to say.

I'm trying to speak without being rude, because there's obviously people that believe that they have certain things, but as if there was all these witch things going on, it was definitely all to do with that.

Stacey Wright (14:50.426) So they literally burnt women who could make childbirth easier, more bearable.

the church, yeah, so the church believed that women should suffer for Eve eating this fucking apple.

Fuck off!

Adam was right there, if he didn't want her to eat it, why didn't he say, give me that fucking apple Eve, we're done.

Fucking get back in your cave.

Like it didn't happen, did it?

Like I'm sorry, but you got no control over your woman and now this is every woman's fault.

Betty (14:55.327) yeah.

Betty (15:02.636) Yeah.

Betty (15:08.462) You the Betty (15:17.547) Yeah.

Stacey Wright (15:21.338) It's just, like, I really enjoyed the fact that he really highlighted that.

And if you look over history, the books that show that we were suppressed, we were never equal.

It's been that way in almost every religion.

And I feel like now that the time of Pisces is over, that it's, it's time for people to start waking the fuck up.

And I feel like that's kind of happening, but it's still not right.

Betty (15:21.517) for the Stacey Wright (15:49.036) It's funny because this book just made me really angry that I'm not ruling the world right now.

Betty (15:54.304) Ha ha!

Stacey Wright (15:56.602) It did!

I'm like, you know what?

If some motherfucker got out of the way a thousand years ago, where would women be standing today?

Like, we would be on...

right on top of men's dead bodies!

I'm telling you right now!

I'd have a big mound of men's dead bones underneath me and I'd be standing there going, everyone's gonna eat food today, I'm not building no towers, I'm not gonna fucking put myself out in gold.

You know what I mean?

Betty (16:03.64) where would men be standing?

Betty (16:08.709) That's it.

Betty (16:22.254) It'd be a very different world, wouldn't it, if women ruled?

Stacey Wright (16:25.842) It really would.

But at the same time, balance, I think, would be so much better.

But I don't think that's ever going to happen.

And it makes you wonder how much of our history has actually been erased.

And this is one of the things that Dan Brown's book taught me was how much of the history books tell the actual truth and how much of it has been deleted to fit somebody else's version of events.

Betty (16:46.73) Exactly, like all the things with like the Bible and it's the original and I think I did I did go into this a while ago actually I was looking into stuff and it does say it all comes from like original manuscripts and it's like but how and I know it's like five different people at least and they all say the same thing but how do they didn't write them together or read his and then go yeah how do we know it was not fiction or what's there I'm sure that there's people out there that are like I know the answer I don't know the answer but like you said it's like even with other books Stacey Wright (17:13.85) Well.

Betty (17:16.704) you read or like just even Google now like especially with AI, you Google stuff you ask questions, you can ask AI a question it can it can go both ways sometimes and it is scanning the internet.

So there is all conflicting information about all types of different shit at the minute.

So what do you trust?

How do you know that something is actually factual unless you can do it yourself?

Stacey Wright (17:39.994) Exactly and I wasn't I don't know about you but I want back then like I have no fucking clue and This was because this was something somebody else had mentioned because I might have gone and snuck into some forums about this book and Somebody was like so Matthew Mark Luke and John all wrote that he was a divine being it's like where are the rest of the disciples?

Sections they got lost did they somebody misplaced them did they I bet they all say the same thing that they don't agree with what they're saying How much money were they paid?

Betty (18:00.791) Yeah.

Stacey Wright (18:06.948) You have no idea because these things were written after Jesus was already dead.

So who paid them off?

Who was like, hey, you can go in the book if you change your version of events and someone's like, fuck it, all right.

Because you know what?

I probably would have.

If somebody said to me, I'll give you all the fucking gold in the world.

We're living in like sandy times.

I probably would have gone, fuck it, who cares?

I'm not gonna be around to see the carnage.

Betty (18:20.277) Yes.

Betty (18:24.27) Thanks Betty (18:29.4) But there's also, wasn't it referenced, and I don't know what's in it, but wasn't it referenced that Mary Magdalene had written something, and that's not taken as gospel.

It's called something, there's the gospels and hers is called something different.

And I think there's another couple, which I presume are probably all women, again, not fact checks, but yeah, it's like hers isn't like registered as that's fact, even though the others are.

Yeah.

Stacey Wright (18:51.864) No.

So why not?

She was there too.

She knows things.

She saw things.

She was a part of most of it.

And I bet it's cause it conflicts.

And this is, this was what I was trying to say, like even going and finding things online, I could have, I could decide for myself that, I dunno, the Oedipus die really were the villains here.

I know that in the book they, they, they're foreshadowed as being like the fool guy, right?

I thought that was really clever.

Actually, I did not see that fucking twist coming, but, I'm like, what if I made my mind for that?

I'm gonna go looking for things that support my thesis.

I'm not gonna go looking and say, well, this says no, I'm wrong.

Fuck that!

I'm never wrong.

So I'm gonna go and find every piece of information and compile it in such a way that it confirms what I said.

Betty (19:30.156) Bye.

Betty (19:36.972) Hmm.

Yeah.

Stacey Wright (19:38.894) Look, I had a look, Mike was under the impression, this was so funny, because this is how this works, okay?

We watched the movie yesterday, me and Mike in the morning, and he was like, yeah, but there was a chalice.

I'm like, no, there wasn't.

He was like, yes, there was.

He's like in the painting.

So he's like, fuck you.

And he brings up his phone.

He was like, is there another painting?

I'm like, yeah, there's two last suppers out there.

No, because that's what you've been made to believe.

They called it something where your mind, confirms what you're not seeing or something.

Like, so because you've heard that, like you've heard that so many times that there is cups, like he's given everyone last supper and there's wine and a cup.

There's no fucking cups on that table.

Betty (20:10.71) Yeah, I know what you mean.

I don't know the words.

Betty (20:22.584) Wasn't there other versions of the Last Supper?

is it just his?

Stacey Wright (20:25.526) That's what HE said!

We never found one with no fucking cups.

It was Madonna on the rocks, the Virgin on the rocks.

was two versions of it.

Betty (20:33.326) No, because I thought there was something that said there was a version of the Last Supper, I might be making this up, that Jesus, there was like a halo or something and Leonardo didn't do that.

Was there?

There are at least three major, early copies of Leonardo da Vinci.

maybe people have copied it and then changed it after.

So his is the original and there is no chalice.

But they say the word chalice is the name for that.

It's not the name of the symbol, but it's what they would call the woman symbol.

That is the chalice.

The shape is a chalice.

So that's what the chalice is.

Stacey Wright (21:06.138) Yeah, because they're separate, right?

They're leaning away from each other.

Mike was convinced there was a cup in the painting.

So he was literally telling me I was an idiot.

I'd already checked, so I already fucking knew.

So I'm like, go ahead, baby, you show me.

Betty (21:14.454) Yeah.

I also scanned that painting because I was like, right, if it's true that he paints men to be a bit more feminine, let me look at all the other guys and none of the other ones look feminine.

But I think the explanation of that is that it's supposed to be Peter and he's the youngest and the way to show youth is like more feminine, no beard, long hair.

That's the explanation I found online.

But I was still like, well, it's none of them near his age then.

Like they're all really old and he's just really young.

I don't, that might be true.

I don't know.

But yeah, this is the thing.

I think this is why this book was so good because it does make you question and make you want to go on a bit of a, on a bit of a dive to see like what you can find out and question stuff.

Stacey Wright (21:55.342) I don't know, actually.

Betty (22:06.606) because you kind of not take it as facts but you're like, ooh, that's another way to look at it.

And the book makes it all make sense.

Stacey Wright (22:14.264) I know.

It's so bad.

It's so bad because you know what?

I half wondered, because I'm just going to digress for a second, but the first book in the series is Angels and Demons.

And they talk about the Illuminati in it.

And the Illuminati is something I see everywhere now.

And I don't know whether it was because of that book or whether or not it's just made people go and research.

Like, it's one of those, right?

God, that's six, seven, six, seven.

Betty (22:29.134) Thank you.

Betty (22:34.423) Yeah.

Betty (22:40.396) Yeah, I've, yeah, I've got both books and it wasn't until I think I was Googling something about Robert Langdon in the film, he has quite a bad like phobia, like claustrophobia he's got.

Stacey Wright (22:43.662) I just don't get the head.

Betty (22:57.12) And I didn't think it was very prominent in the book or I didn't really remember reading much about it, but I think it might be more prominent in Angels and Demons or it plays a big part in that book.

So then I was like, well, hang on, which one come first?

Because I thought it's Da Vinci Code and then that one.

But you can read them in whatever order that you want to.

I definitely want to get around to the Angels and Demons.

I don't even know if I'll ever watch the film.

Stacey Wright (23:03.276) Yes.

Stacey Wright (23:17.978) I watched it after the Da Vinci Code because it just came on.

Paramount's like, hey, you need more viewing pleasure, here you go.

Betty (23:22.308) well, is today.

Thank you very much.

That's exactly what I wanted.

But yeah, it's to be Angels and Demons and then Da Vinci Code, isn't it?

Yeah.

No, did.

Don't you think that's weird?

But I think the book was probably more popular, so they did that and then must have gone back.

But I think they could do that because, like I say, even though it's the same character, which I think Dan Brown does a lot of books with Robert Langdon as the main character.

Stacey Wright (23:27.61) I-I did it!

I watched it!

Stacey Wright (23:33.956) That's not how we did the movies though.

They did Da Vinci Co first.

Betty (23:51.917) they could switch it around because it didn't follow time, I don't think, or it didn't have enough crossroads.

Stacey Wright (23:57.538) It did, but it wasn't obvious.

were, they were, for me, it was like a standalone in a series.

It was very well done.

Very well done.

It was a very clever tactic on Dan Brown's part.

But I loved him.

He's like, listen, cause we were, were, can't even remember what Mike said.

And I'm like, yeah, he's Indiana Jones.

He's basically the professor action hero, professor action hero.

He's like, he's Indiana Jones with a bow tie.

Betty (24:04.535) Yeah.

Betty (24:08.225) Yeah.

Betty (24:24.078) I looked at some stats actually because I was like thinking back like this was like a huge movie when it come out forget like not forget about the book but like it's you know when it's a movie you're like oh and then people probably go and read the book so the stats I found are sold over eight 80 million copies worldwide translated into 44 languages when it came out in 2003 it became one of the fastest selling adult novels ever in the UK it became the best-selling adult novel of all time for that period Stacey Wright (24:30.856) yeah.

Stacey Wright (24:44.09) Mm-hmm.

Stacey Wright (24:52.122) times.

Betty (24:54.222) And in 2006 when they did the movie it made over 760 million worldwide.

That's insane stats.

Stacey Wright (25:03.066) but it's because it makes you think.

And I think it was the fact that he did blend a lot of realistic historical facts and went a little wild with them.

Like I don't believe all of it.

Like there was a lot of stuff in there.

I'm like, yeah, okay.

But I really enjoyed this simple stuff.

And I was like, her grandfather made it so fucking hard to find all these clothes and was just like talking in riddles.

And I'm like, Betty (25:03.406) Thanks.

Betty (25:25.31) I know.

Stacey Wright (25:31.13) I'm sitting there and I'm going, if he had left that to me, I'd be going, sorry, gramps, it's over.

Betty (25:35.502) I'm out.

I was thinking this because I love the idea of puzzles and I do like that but I'm probably also not that great so I get annoyed and then I need someone to tell me the answer.

So if someone did that to me I'd be like you fucking idiot you know what I'm like you know I can't do it and now I'll never know.

Stacey Wright (25:37.848) I'm done bro, I'm out.

Stacey Wright (25:56.89) Oh my god, I hate not knowing, I hate that!

But it was so bad.

Betty (26:01.678) What did you think about I know you just said it's annoying it's long-winded but it'd be a bit boring if it wasn't but also you had to do the clues in that sort of way that she was sort of get Robert would get but the police wouldn't understand it but can I just say just been shot in stomach you know you're gonna die and I know obviously he's very protective over all this stuff and you know he already knew he was the last one alive but he did quite a lot in that 15 minutes Stacey Wright (26:12.728) Yeah.

Stacey Wright (26:28.122) Do you know it takes something like three hours to die from a gunshot wound to the stomach?

Because the reason you die is all the toxins from your stomach leeches into your body and you basically poison yourself.

I know, because I did Google that.

Betty (26:39.628) I've read this, but I thought it was quicker.

no, but it is.

It does take a long time, doesn't it?

I don't know where I've got the 15 minutes.

But like he did a lot, bearing in mind he was obviously in a lot of pain, like, but he managed to do it.

Yeah.

Stacey Wright (26:44.066) It does take a long time.

Yeah.

Yeah, okay, sorry, it just popped into my head.

I was just talking about how the stomach acid and all the toxins would kill you and I'm like, what about the sex stuff?

Like the rituals with the sex.

Betty (27:02.322) my god, when that come out, as soon as it said rituals, I knew it was sex.

And I couldn't remember, it was like, it's obviously stupid sex.

But imagine that's your granddad.

You've come home early.

You're gonna surprise him like, hey, I'm back early, it's nice to see you.

And you look through that door or that window, whatever it was, and see a woman mounted on your granddad.

Stacey Wright (27:08.888) Yeah, obviously.

Stacey Wright (27:27.514) No!

Betty (27:28.844) That's got to fuck you up for life, because no one needs to see that.

Stacey Wright (27:33.784) don't wanna see anybody doing that.

Not live anyway.

Betty (27:36.768) No!

Also like any family member is like absolutely sickening isn't it?

Did you feel it was a harsh so that you would never speak to him again?

Stacey Wright (27:45.55) No, I'm good, that's okay.

At he was wearing a mask!

Stacey Wright (27:53.836) I would do that but if it looked like my gran- Betty (27:55.503) Imagine you've just by accident walked in on your mum.

But my point is you wouldn't never speak to her again.

I realised that it was a weird ritualistic thing but I'd be like what the fuck was she doing?

Why are you letting people watch you?

What's going on?

Do you know what I mean?

Stacey Wright (27:59.275) Ow!

Say it.

Stacey Wright (28:15.642) Yeah, but it looked like I know they didn't really show you much in the movie But in the book they do tell like a story it does look like devil worship It sounds like they're having a fucking dark magic black magic fucking orgy.

I would be like, my god What if they sacrifice me I would probably leave I'll be like bye mom Betty (28:31.918) I mean I wouldn't have been like, sorry excuse me everyone what's going on?

would leave.

I'd have a separate conversation with the person after in a safe setting.

Stacey Wright (28:47.67) Yeah, but she lived in that house for a year.

She had no idea that that basement existed.

So there was things she didn't know and how far would a family member go to protect the fact that he does sex magic?

Because that's what I, my first thought was, they doing sex magic?

Like they're gonna, yeah.

Okay.

And I don't, yeah.

I can see why she ran away.

Betty (28:53.27) Yeah, that's gotta be creepy.

Betty (29:02.062) Thanks for watching!

Betty (29:12.238) I would I'd run away if I run into anyone having sex I'm not supposed to be here Stacey Wright (29:23.378) I went to a weird spot.

But I guess my original question was, how do you feel, because they talk about in the book that sex is supposed to be about the releasing of energy, male and female being equal in that moment, opening yourself up to God, and the church, they're saying vilified sex to the point where we now, it's something disgusting.

Like, do think that's what really happened?

Betty (29:24.43) you Betty (29:49.975) I don't know.

I really don't know.

I think obviously, like you said, we're all conditioned to be like dirty.

Like you don't need to, like keep it at home.

Like we're too conditioned, I think, for me to even think of it any differently to just be like, I don't know, sat in a circle with two people in the middle and me just being like, yay, well done.

Stacey Wright (30:10.65) You could do better here though, I give you an 8 out of 10.

Betty (30:17.688) But then it was new, he was like, because apparently the man has a divine moment where he stops thinking for a second and she's like, so an orgasm, right?

It's more than that apparently.

Stacey Wright (30:31.834) You know what, it's when you meditate, I don't know if you've ever done this, when you meditate and your mind goes blank for that moment, that's supposed to be when your brain connects in a way that it never connects before.

And that's what happens to men every time they do orgasm.

Now, it's funny because a lot of women will say, well, men don't know how to make me orgasm.

So does that mean that we need to fix this somehow that men think they don't have to?

Betty (30:43.704) Yeah.

Betty (30:58.238) He's like, we need to have better orgasms.

Stacey Wright (31:02.49) like I don't know but it was funny because I do kind of feel like the church did vilify sex because the Romans used to have mass orgies like it wasn't a big problem I remember having sex with men when I'm having sex with women I was doing it in the streets it was parties you know I've seen really fucking happy Betty (31:06.37) this.

Betty (31:19.466) It's starting to feel like you're advocating for bringing this back.

Stacey Wright (31:25.01) No, no, I was wondering whether or not you feel like the patriarchal society have made it so that it's only men are supposed to get anything from sex but women are not.

Because that's what I got from the book.

Betty (31:37.955) Yeah, maybe.

Yeah, probably.

Like I say, it's hard to imagine it in that time that it was viewed as something different.

I can only think how I think now.

can't really imagine.

No, can't.

No, I can't.

I can't get on board with it.

Stacey Wright (31:52.558) You can't unthink that, yeah.

Stacey Wright (31:58.766) All right, so Dan Brown talks about secret societies a lot in his books.

There's also secret societies to come up with.

So do you think that there are secret societies really out there right now, pulling strings in different ways?

Betty (32:10.188) Yes.

Even if they're like very kind of loosely like we have the Freemasons, that's a thing, right?

I mean, I don't know what they do.

But I've known, I know of people that are in them, but not to speak to them to be like, yeah, my dad worked with some, yeah.

Is there like different levels?

Is this like, do you know what I mean?

So I can't imagine that they was higher level that way, yeah, but yeah.

Stacey Wright (32:18.308) Yep.

Freemasony stuff.

Really?

Stacey Wright (32:30.073) Hi.

Betty (32:39.534) But he didn't know anything and I don't know anything and I don't really know the point apart from a secret handshake, which sounds cool.

That's it.

Stacey Wright (32:46.362) Everyone knows who the Freemasons are, it's not very secret.

Betty (32:50.452) No, it's not a secret, no.

But isn't it like, but what they do is secret, like they don't talk about it.

What do they do?

Do they have dirty orgy sex parties in the Freemasons?

I don't know.

Sorry, remove the word dirty.

Yeah, please let us know if you know anything.

So what about illuminati then?

I feel like you definitely believe in the illuminati.

You don't talk about Secret Society Club.

Stacey Wright (33:07.002) think someone from the Freemasons should let us know.

it in the comments.

Put it in the comments.

Stacey Wright (33:17.582) fucking right I do I'm a conspiracy theorist this book was like my mecha man okay this is like every rabbit hole you can bounce down Betty (33:21.686) Yeah, so.

I believe it.

There's a lot of, there's obviously this is from the TikTok world, but there's a lot of celebrities that go on and they're like, they do the, they do the thing, they do the signs.

Jim Carrey, I think went on TV and did a thing and he didn't use the words, but he was doing it.

And I can't remember who was interviewing him.

And he was like, well, you know about it.

And he's like, don't know what you're talking about.

And he's like, yeah, you do.

But he like then kind of went a bit crazy for all the stuff he was saying, wasn't he?

Not crazy of what he was saying, but he just like, Stacey Wright (33:31.844) Yeah.

Yeah.

Stacey Wright (33:45.658) Yeah, you do.

Betty (33:52.94) had to get it all out there and then I don't think anyone's really heard from Jim Carrey since.

Stacey Wright (33:57.496) Not really.

Well, he was, he looked like he was wearing some kind of like weird mask when he was last down.

He's like.

Betty (34:02.99) Yeah, but wasn't that someone had dressed up as him or something?

Stacey Wright (34:05.6) what I heard yeah but just it's so weird because I was just god we're digressing hard now but Selena Gomez there's a video of her where she was really young and she was like I'm just about to sign my record deal with whoever it was and she was like selling my soul to the devil like why would you say that like why would you Betty (34:11.243) Yeah.

Betty (34:21.516) Yeah.

And isn't that, there's a Beyonce, I think there was a Beyonce one where she's on stage and does it.

I had something there, what was it?

no, it's escaped my brain.

No, it's gone, sorry.

I'll just cough instead.

There was something else.

It was probably very, not very well formulated anyway.

But yeah, no, I definitely believe in it all and I definitely believe in all these like secret groups and stuff.

Invite me!

I want to know!

Stacey Wright (34:53.978) Yeah!

No, they can't invite me.

I'm too- I talk about it too much.

I'm- Betty (35:01.004) I was just about to say I'm not very good at secrets though.

I'd have to be like, guess where I was last night?

What other secrets are there?

Do you actually know of any that we hear of but we don't?

That's all I know.

Stacey Wright (35:13.555) they would never invite me.

Stacey Wright (35:19.96) No, I, I, yeah, I had a book about them all.

Whether or not, like it's hard to know because every time you read something, you don't know if somebody's writing it to, because it's a truth, their version of the truth, because they actually believe it, but it's not true.

Or whether or not they're trying to sell you bullshit to sell a book.

Send that.

Like I, okay, I'm going right off the, off the scale now.

I watch a lot of Alex Jones and I've had to stop watching him because I think he's been paid off.

Betty (35:38.444) Yeah, true.

Betty (35:43.566) Do it.

Betty (35:50.658) I don't know who that is and I don't know who's Alex Jones.

Stacey Wright (35:52.346) Okay, look, Illuminati, she's a safe bet.

She don't know nothing.

Okay.

You'll be all right.

Just take her.

She'll be all right.

I know too much.

So Alex Jones is like a massive, Alex Jones is a massive conspiracy guy.

I've watched him for years, but I truly believe that somebody has gotten to him he's been paid off.

Same with Trump.

Okay.

Let's, let's, I'm right off track now.

Betty (35:58.082) Yeah.

Betty (36:02.677) American great.

Betty (36:16.91) Yeah, we'll carry this on after.

I don't think, unless we can do a whole episode on it.

Stacey Wright (36:21.56) I've got a lot of things to say about conspiracies.

This is why I love this book so much.

And sometimes I wonder if this book is what triggered that off for me.

Cause I don't remember being a massive conspiracy theorist when I was in the UK, but after reading Dan Brown's books, Betty (36:36.498) but you was here when you read that book though, because I definitely remember you talking about the Illuminati before I remember, because I was like, obviously, I was younger, it's all new to me.

So that's...

my god, you know what?

I'm of the opinion now maybe the Illuminati aren't real because why is Dan Brown still alive?

Betty (36:54.958) Well, I was going to say with this Da Vinci Code stuff, I was going to say earlier, like I'm surprised that he's not been killed off.

Stacey Wright (37:02.234) Yeah, but it would be too like, I don't know.

But then is he selling us a forced trial?

Is he selling us down a river?

I don't know.

It's just, I do, really believe that this book turned me into a conspiracy theorist.

And it got really out of control because I don't believe anything anymore.

You tell, if I see it on the news, I'm like, bullshit, prove it.

Betty (37:05.632) at this time.

you Betty (37:18.446) Mmm.

Betty (37:26.712) This is the thing though, sometimes you go so far into something and then you think there's too much about it, can't be true.

what about aliens?

Do believe in the aliens?

Stacey Wright (37:32.314) No.

I believe it.

We live in a universe with millions of planets.

You're telling me we're the only motherfuckers out there?

Fuck off!

I'm not a narcissist, okay?

I don't believe we're the only beings out here.

Come on.

Betty (37:48.943) But do you believe they're here?

No, like, you seen, like, this was a while ago, was clips of Elon Musk where he's just stood watching and he's doing all this weird shit with his face and everyone's like, what's he doing?

Stacey Wright (38:00.408) Elizabeth people like yeah it was funny because Putin wouldn't walk with Queen Elizabeth when she was alive he's like standing right away from her he's like Betty (38:12.398) I'm confused, Putin and Queen Elizabeth?

What?

Stacey Wright (38:19.246) This was years ago.

Yeah, years and years ago.

were walking.

They were at some kind of, this was before the war.

So they were walking.

She's walking up the stairs.

People are helping her get up the stairs and Putin's like, I'm fucking going anywhere near that.

You can see the look on his face.

Betty (38:32.77) What?

What does he think it is?

Stacey Wright (38:34.97) you think she's a lizard?

Or was?

Yeah!

A rock tunnel!

Her eyes go like this, like I don't know if you've seen the video clips, she goes her eyes go like this.

Betty (38:37.294) I've missed this whole thing.

Betty (38:43.692) I have said not of her, but I feel like that seems familiar, but also it's in men and black, so I might be wrong.

Was this after Men in Black?

Because then I don't believe it.

Stacey Wright (38:55.908) I don't know, actually.

I don't know.

That's a really good question.

I don't know.

But yeah, there's, you know, I'm of the opinion that I don't know.

So I can't say yes or no, but I don't have enough proof either way to say yes or no.

And I'm okay living in that area.

And Dan Brown stuck me right in middle of the gray zone.

Like there's nothing for me.

There's no smoke without fire as far as I'm concerned.

But you don't know how much of it's like fabricated and how much of it's real and how much of it.

Betty (39:00.107) Thank Stacey Wright (39:26.202) Like in the book where they made it so that it looked like Oedipus Di was doing it because they wanted the secret destroyed when in reality somebody wanted the truth out there, but they needed a full guy.

So it looked really legit, didn't it?

I was convinced that was what was going on.

And I was like, what?

Betty (39:39.478) Yeah.

Betty (39:45.614) But also I looked into that opus die because you know like he was doing that, I can't remember what the thing's called that he put around his leg.

So he was doing that and then I was looking into it and obviously it does paint this group very villainous and I don't think that that's, it's obviously very overly exaggerated for the book, right?

But I looked into it, but some people do still do that.

It might not be as bad or I don't know the full facts, but some people do still do that and self-flagellation, another word that's close to another words that I didn't want to get wrong.

Stacey Wright (40:19.802) She doesn't mean they're hitting themselves with a willy, okay?

Stacey Wright (40:26.606) or sucking themselves off.

I don't know which way you would go with that.

Will you go with fellatio or I don't know.

But no, is, there are still people that are highly devout.

And this is the thing about religion that I think, because when they talk about it at the end, they're like, I think Sophie asks in the book, are you going, or maybe it was Robert, like, are you going to release this stuff?

Like, is this part of your plan?

And she was like, there was no date on it.

Like, there's not, she was like, but do we really want to undo somebody's religious beliefs?

Something that's fundamentally who they are.

Betty (40:32.664) Yeah, no one's leaving.

Stacey Wright (41:01.732) Like what would that do to a person?

And I'm like, you know what, if I was devout, if I was a Catholic and I was so devout that somebody telling me the truth about my religion was a bad thing, I wouldn't want to be Catholic anyway, because I would like to know if I'm doing it wrong.

Like I don't want to be doing a lie.

Like could you imagine like all these priests, okay, I just say all these priests who are celibate when that's really not what was supposed to happen at all.

Betty (41:21.084) Ha Stacey Wright (41:31.354) Could you imagine all those people's lives that have been detrimentally affected because someone was a liar, like, 2000 years ago?

Betty (41:38.518) Also, do you not think if you was that into your faith and you believe to like the highest possible point that you could and someone here's the proof it's not true you go bollocks that's not right.

Try having to prove you might show me bits of paper that look really old.

I don't know where that's come from.

I still think.

Stacey Wright (41:47.578) I don't care.

Yeah, exactly, exactly!

So I didn't look- Stacey Wright (41:57.178) But you know what will happen?

The fanatics will stay fanatical.

And the people that felt that there was something not quite right will go, great, new religion.

Let's go over here.

I think it was very, because that was one of the reasons the book pissed me off so hard.

Was that ending was like, well, no, we're not going to because reasons.

And I'm like, fuck your reasons.

Fuck it, you don't get to make that decision for me.

Fuck you.

I'd like to know if the church was actually supposed to have been built on Betty (42:03.116) Yeah.

Betty (42:21.986) Yeah.

Stacey Wright (42:27.252) woman's preachings.

Jesus wanted his wife or whatever to take the church in the direction of feminism.

I would like to know that.

And if I'm a strong enough Catholic in my belief system and I'm going, no, Jesus was a divine being, nothing's going to shake that.

I'm an idiot.

Like I'm stuck in my way because I'm like that anyway.

Betty (42:30.126) Yeah.

Betty (42:48.238) you Stacey Wright (42:50.7) I know for well when something is probably is not true and I still believe it and I'm like, fuck that.

I'm believing this to my dying day.

You know what mean?

I'm stubborn.

So I don't think that that would shake my faith.

And if it does shake your faith, were you really faithful to what you were believing in anyway?

And that really pissed me off at end of the book.

I'm like, that's not okay.

But they didn't do that in the movie.

And it's funny because I think the movie handled that part of it much, much better because everything comes to light at the end when she's talking to Robert, right?

When she's like, Betty (42:56.632) Yeah.

Stacey Wright (43:19.578) Yeah, this is why we weren't talking blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And then he discovers who she is.

And it's like, well, it doesn't matter what anyone says.

Like they're protecting you.

If they don't have your DNA, they can't prove anything.

But then I was like, you know what didn't make sense?

Who the fuck cares if you're a descendant of Mary Magdalene?

Who the fuck cares?

You can't prove you were Jesus's kid.

What the fuck does it matter?

Betty (43:40.802) Yeah, surely like DNA wise, if you're going back that length of time, can you prove that?

Stacey Wright (43:45.54) Well they would have been able to prove something that was the mother, like that would have proved that Mary Magdalene was the mother, but not that Jesus was the father because they don't have his shit anywhere.

So what would it matter?

great, Mary Magdalene was a prostitute, we already know this.

So who the fuck cares if she had sex with someone and her baby?

The fuck gives a shit?

Like it made no sense!

Betty (43:58.446) yes!

Betty (44:04.654) Where's Jesus buried then?

Stacey Wright (44:09.742) Well, he resurrected.

He ain't buried.

He was wandering around, weren't he?

He rose on Easter Monday, apparently.

Betty (44:16.59) So then what did he do?

Stacey Wright (44:18.074) I'll take a- went to heaven?

I don't know.

It never made sense, but then the book just, it just didn't make sense because there's no proof that they were married.

Like, cause she's like, so what?

says companion, fuck off.

Like who cares?

Like I was like, I was like, yeah, and who cares?

I'm like, me and Mike aren't married, but we have cardinal relations.

Like who cares, right?

Who cares?

But my point was, I'm like, you can't prove that you were Jesus's.

Betty (44:25.838) I'll have a new process, Christian.

Betty (44:43.754) you Stacey Wright (44:49.006) kid.

All you can really prove is that maybe Mary Madeleine was, because I think she came from Solomon's line, right?

King Solomon's line.

What does that do?

great.

You're an idiot because you're nobody now because that doesn't even exist anymore.

Like, I don't know.

The whole thing didn't make sense as to why anyone would kill for that knowledge.

I don't know.

Like, and?

She was a prostitute.

What?

Betty (45:06.828) Yeah.

Yeah, no, that's weird.

Also, at the end of the movie compared to the book, correct me if I'm wrong.

the book it finishes off, he is her granddad, the granddad, they faked that they'd all died in this car crash.

The nan took her brother, she went with her granddad, they separated so that no one would know who they was, changed their names.

In the movie, it's not her granddad, he was just the master of whatever he's, this priory of Sion.

Why have they changed this in the movie?

Why did that make a difference?

Stacey Wright (45:17.63) well.

Stacey Wright (45:39.128) Yeah, okay.

You know, this is...

Because it didn't make sense to me either.

Okay, so who was the Lion of Christ then?

Okay, so if he was her real granddad, did that mean that he was an actual direct relation himself?

Why is he protecting his own secret?

That didn't make sense.

If he was the grandmaster protecting his secret in the book, why the fuck is he marrying her?

That shouldn't have been allowed.

So that didn't make sense to me in the book, the movie made much more sense that her parents died and they took her to protect her.

And he took her as the pretend granddaughter.

The movie made much more sense.

And I wrote that down.

I'm like, the book, I was like, so he was either related to Christ himself.

So was he protecting himself and become grandmaster?

Ew, I don't think that would happen.

Or two, the nan was a direct descendant.

Or.

Betty (46:13.528) Yeah.

Betty (46:33.607) Why wouldn't he, if it was him or his wife, why wouldn't he protect that secret because he's still keeping the bloodline going?

So I still think that makes sense, no?

Stacey Wright (46:42.458) Yeah, but if you're the one being protected, let's say you're part of Jesus Christ's lineage, would you then become the keeper of the secret if you're the blood?

I don't believe that.

Yeah.

Yeah, but then that's even more disgusting.

He was protecting her secret and boning her?

Please!

No!

I don't believe that, but it could also be.

Yeah, but the other thing is...

Betty (46:53.513) yeah, because you should be...

Maybe it was the grandma's.

Betty (47:05.998) I think that's how he looks when he moves.

Stacey Wright (47:10.862) Like, this is where my mind went.

I'm like, well, what if it was like it was their daughter that died in that car crash?

Well, they're still the dad, right?

So maybe it was the dad's lineage was the reason.

But still, it just seemed really incestuous and I didn't like it.

I actually think that he I'm not joking.

I didn't like it at all in the book how that was really her granddad.

No, no, no.

The movie's like, yes, we we knew that your parents had died.

I mean, he had to protect you.

So we I pretended to be your granddad.

That makes so much more sense.

I'm like, yeah.

Betty (47:30.36) Great speakers.

Stacey Wright (47:40.238) The movie fixed your fucking problem, BROWN!

Betty (47:43.597) fucking hell I don't agree but I like your I I don't see why that makes a difference I was confused as to why they changed it I was like I've been heard for I was like that's my dad Stacey Wright (47:44.995) Yeah Really?

Stacey Wright (47:54.75) I do.

Reasons!

No, it's weird.

It's weird because, no, I'm...

When you become the master of a secret society, you're supposed to be three degrees of separation away from whatever it is.

So you don't marry into it.

You don't have sex with it.

You're not already part of it because they wouldn't have made him the grand master.

It didn't make sense.

It didn't.

There's a lot of things about that that didn't make sense.

Betty (48:16.462) You've into these secret societies too much.

You've looked into these secret societies too much.

You know too many rules.

Hang on, you know too many rules, are you?

Am I speaking to an Illuminati?

Stacey Wright (48:23.267) UNLIKED!

If I I know things bitches, I'm protected.

No, but what I mean is like, if they were protecting the bloodline and the guy that died, Jacques, was to be protected, would you have brought him into the fold as part of?

No, because you're a risk factor now.

So why would you allow him to become Grandmaster?

You wouldn't.

And if he was Grandmaster or he was in the prior of Scion, why would he be allowed to marry?

woman whose bloodline it is, it doesn't make sense.

Betty (49:01.004) Yeah, I do kind of get where you're going.

I do get it.

Stacey Wright (49:05.006) you should, because I thought a lot about it.

Because after the book was done I was like...

Betty (49:07.854) What about if like the Priory of Sion, is it like Leonardo Da Vinci supposed to have been in this thing?

And Isaac Newton and probably a lot of other names.

Do you think that that's actually true or is that for the book?

Stacey Wright (49:27.002) I always thought, see this is where I think Dan Brown actually took from history.

actually think Isaac Newton was a Freemason.

He was part of the Freemason.

I believe that Da Vinci was a Freemason.

believe that other fucking dude, can't remember his name now, also a Freemason.

So I honestly think that they were part of secret societies.

I don't believe they're part of the prioris Zion.

You can see that it wasn't a thing until the like.

I think it actually started in like 1918 or something like that during the first world war.

And it got more clout in the fifties where that guy was seen to be a scammer.

Betty (49:54.222) It's a bit too early.

Betty (49:59.673) to a.

Betty (50:04.842) Okay, yeah.

yes.

Okay.

Yeah, that makes.

Yeah.

So, yeah, so I don't know.

don't, I don't know.

That's, but I do believe they were, they were Freemasons.

I do believe that.

Betty (50:17.794) I love that this episode has just turned into like massive conspiracy theory talk.

I've really enjoyed it.

Stacey Wright (50:24.312) didn't mean for that to happen.

I actually had like beautiful notes on the book.

Like, why do people love it?

Why did I love it?

Why did I hate it?

Betty (50:34.126) because it's very serious.

Stacey Wright (50:37.466) I don't know.

just, I kind of feel like Dan Brown woke people up enough to start questioning the official narrative.

And that's one of the reasons why this book, I love this book.

I love it.

I know I've read it like two or three times in the past.

I did the audio book this time because I wanted to hear it.

It was so funny because it was so old.

was like, um, continue on tape two, continues on tape three.

Yeah.

I'm like, someone could have come through and cleared.

Betty (50:45.197) vision.

Betty (51:02.616) Shut up!

Stacey Wright (51:07.502) like, I'm like, wow, that was fucking hilarious.

But I really enjoyed the audio book and I felt like I was along for the ride.

It was really fast paced.

I really enjoyed all the secret society stuff, the symbology.

I love the masculine and I really enjoyed the fact that he took elements from real history and flipped it on its head.

I was like, hey, what if this was the truth?

And it's funny because he could have picked Betty (51:09.774) That's fun.

Betty (51:33.902) Thank Stacey Wright (51:34.81) anything.

He could have picked anything about the Catholic Church and spun it on its head and it would have got people going, huh.

That's, and I think that's what this book really encompasses is that not only do we have this like geeky guy is suddenly like uncovering this big secret that's been hidden for thousands of years and they, and he's not like your suavey typical, like, you know, macho man.

So he's a geek.

Betty (51:43.372) Yeah.

Stacey Wright (52:04.504) I really loved that.

I really loved that.

I did not need the the romancey stuff that was starting to happen with him and Sophie like fuck off I didn't need none of that.

Like I don't know why that was in there.

Betty (52:06.413) Yeah.

Betty (52:13.166) Yeah, no, they didn't really do it in the film.

It kind of looks like they might have a bit of a moment, but then they just hug at the end, don't they?

And I think that was a better way to do it.

I don't think that they needed to then, that didn't need to happen.

Stacey Wright (52:25.858) No, no, I know.

just, could feel like the tension.

Ooh, we should go and like stay in a hotel room and do new things to each other.

And I'm like.

Betty (52:34.274) Nah.

Stacey Wright (52:35.118) I'm like, no thanks.

Cause you're like really old and stuff and she's like really young and she's lost her family and just found out that she's royalty and why would she sleep with you?

got, make any sense.

Betty (52:40.395) you Betty (52:44.652) Yeah, she's just found out who she is.

Stacey Wright (52:48.442) I'd be like, dude, you can't touch this.

I got royal blood.

I'm the holy grail.

They could be all over here, you know, shiny and shit.

They're like, ew, you have a pocket protector.

Nope.

Betty (52:59.63) you Stacey Wright (53:01.742) But do you think, what do you think Dan Brown set out to do with this book?

What do you think he was hoping to accomplish other than selling a lot of copies?

Betty (53:10.254) I don't know, I've not really thought about that.

I'd imagine...

I didn't, I just enjoyed the book.

I haven't thought like that, I guess.

I mean, what has happened is obviously a lot of controversy.

But I guess it would also make people look into it, maybe look into the church.

It might have made people look into the story and go the other way.

Let me say that again.

Betty (53:34.112) It might have made people look into like church and actually go the other way because they might have found what I found and gone, that's absolutely not true.

It might have set people on a path of looking at religion and why people do still have all this faith and stuff.

It could have made people go either way.

I think the main thing though is that it was contradicting what history tells us.

Stacey Wright (53:37.593) Yeah Stacey Wright (53:55.822) Yeah, I love it when it does that.

It's funny because the only real complaint I had about the book was the dialogue between when people are talking, like the banter was so, I don't know, how can I put this?

It felt really clunky.

Like it wasn't naturally speaking.

And I kind of felt like it was somebody had taken a Wikipedia page and was having it being interrogated by the FBI.

Like that's how the conversation, cause I even was like, I went to grab my book and I'm like, Betty (53:57.933) Yeah.

Betty (54:20.75) you Stacey Wright (54:24.686) People don't talk like this, it's like, like it's recurgitating crap.

Betty (54:29.73) I wonder if you noticed it, because it was the audio, because I didn't feel like that with the book, because I was just reading it.

But I think because I don't know a lot of stuff and, you know, it's all like new information.

I think I was just quite interested in like the, well, not the facts, but like the theories it was saying, I'll say the facts, like because it was saying in the film, like what actually happened, I was more, just more interested in that and like.

Stacey Wright (54:32.793) maybe...

Betty (54:56.302) almost from a learning point of view, like, oh, is that true?

Because I actually believed it when I was reading it because I was stupid and believed the fact that it was the biggest one.

Stacey Wright (55:03.162) No, not stupid.

made you think, which meant that you went in and questioned and you went looking for answers.

So I think that that's really clever because you weren't satisfied with the book telling you something you wanted to know really.

So you went and researched.

So that's not stupid because otherwise you would have just accepted it as gospel and you would be repeating it.

Betty (55:12.11) Hmm.

Betty (55:18.796) Yeah, yeah, that's.

I feel like when this book come out, is what people definitely did.

And it probably made people talk.

Like some people would have been like, I was originally, like you said, probably Google wasn't a big thing then.

I would have been talking to people like, I've just read this book.

Do know that like this is actually what happens?

And they would have believed it back then.

And then people have been arguing.

It would have caused a lot of conversations.

It is conversations.

Stacey Wright (55:42.746) I would have loved that.

I love that.

But there was one thing I did notice.

Like, you know, we were talking about the, like the FEMINIM being like the supreme thing.

Did you not realize that all the way through that Sophie was just kind of like, I don't know, this little thing at the side that she kept going, Oh, I miss that.

Oh, I miss that.

Like she was coming across to kind of like, you're supposed to be a cryptologist love and Robert Langdon's like doing all this stuff.

Betty (55:55.137) Mm.

Stacey Wright (56:11.716) being the male dominant hero, but yet the whole book's about how women are supposed to be better than men and yet they never showed us that once with the characters.

Betty (56:17.646) My God, I never really saw that.

What I did notice the difference between the book, I did think that she was more, I don't know, in the film, when she was the scene where she was like almost telling, like having shouting at someone who was sort of cuffed up, I can't remember what this scene was, but she was like trying to be really angry.

And I just was looking at the actress like, you're not playing it as well as in the book.

Like you don't seem like a...

like a police sort of agent or whatever she like she doesn't seem she's got any aggression she hasn't got she did seem like a little girl along for the ride i didn't get it as much but she seemed a bit more like she had a gun in the book i think it's i don't think she had a gun in the movie sure she had a Stacey Wright (56:46.479) Yeah.

Stacey Wright (56:59.028) She's supposed to be just a cryptologist.

I think she works for like the secret intelligence for France.

Betty (57:04.184) I swear she had a gun.

Maybe I'm wrong.

I don't know.

She just seemed a bit more with the action a little bit more in the book to me.

I think in the film definitely didn't.

Yeah, it was just a bit meek.

Stacey Wright (57:06.564) Talk to you later.

Stacey Wright (57:16.666) But was Robert was like, Oh, look, I fixed this.

Oh, look, you got that wrong.

Oh, look, you did that.

And I was like, so it's supposed to be about how women are better than men, but really Robert Langdon's just better than everyone.

Betty (57:22.094) He's so dope.

Betty (57:29.006) Hahaha Stacey Wright (57:32.461) I don't know.

It was just something I noticed because I was reading it from a different mindset this time and I'm like, Dan Brown's a feminist, but really Robert Langdon's just like, way still better than you.

You may have royal blood.

You may be Jesus Christ's descendant.

Robert Langdon still outstrips you.

don't know, it was just funny.

Even the granddad was like, you need Robert Langdon to explain this to you sweet cheeks.

Betty (57:42.552) He's the hero, yeah.

Betty (57:50.485) you Betty (57:58.223) I'm going to show you the puzzle and then he can solve it for you.

I think the only thing that she got was when they go to the vault and they have to put in like a passcode and it's the Fibonacci sequence, but he's obviously done it out of sequence to match that clue.

And then I think she says, no, it will be an order.

And I can't remember why or how she knew that.

And it's like, you get one shot.

That's probably all she did.

Stacey Wright (58:26.106) Yeah, but she'd spent years with her grandfather training her for this shit and he still didn't trust her to get it right.

Like it's just funny.

I don't know.

just, I was like, oh women, Supreme beings, all love, love, love.

Robert Langdon, top dog.

I'm like, wow.

I'm like, you're protecting this secret.

Betty (58:45.334) That is a really funny, obvious take on the book that I've actually missed.

I wonder if anyone else has spotted that?

Stacey Wright (58:50.892) I was only beginning, but I've read it twice before I did the audio and I remembered it very well.

It was one of those books where I was reading stuff and I was like, the only thing that I'd forgotten was that Oedipus die wasn't the problem.

Like they were part of the problem, but not really.

They weren't the reason.

And I'd forgotten that part.

I thought that the dude, Surly was part of them.

I forgot that he'd used them to take the fall.

Betty (59:11.822) Hmm.

Stacey Wright (59:20.11) That was the only thing I'd forgotten.

It was one of those books where I'm like, yeah.

And I loved Da Vinci.

That was another thing I really enjoyed was that I went and had a look through the paintings again.

And I'm like, I remember being in the Louvre and I remember seeing the Mona Lisa.

And I remember some of my mom saying, it's just a dusty old fucking painting and walked off.

And everyone turned to look at me.

Like I'd said it.

Betty (59:22.018) Yeah.

Betty (59:37.72) Yeah.

I've actually, I've never seen, it's like really small, it's smaller than you think isn't it?

It's like very small.

But I think your perception if you haven't seen it is it's like this massive, which I know it's a big thing, but it's not physically big.

Stacey Wright (59:48.45) Yeah, it's about this big, I think.

It's like a four sheet of paper.

Stacey Wright (59:59.332) It's not.

The frame's huge though.

Have you seen the frame?

It's massive.

Probably weighs a ton.

But I'm like, I'd love to have paintings in my house, but I have kids' scrolls on my walls.

But yeah, this book really, like I feel energized again.

was feeling very doled out with like conspiracy stuff and I spent ages.

I was like, Ooh, my fingers went little little up.

like, yeah.

But I did notice.

Betty (01:00:27.022) If I have time, there's definitely going to be stuff that pops in my head.

I'm going to be like, Oh, I'm going to have a look at that.

Stacey Wright (01:00:32.429) But Google definitely is not your friend.

You have to go to a search engine that does not try and protect you from the truth.

DuckDuckGo.

You could sponsor me DuckDuckGo.

Betty (01:00:38.87) Okay.

I was talking to chat GPT earlier and I asked it and it gave me obviously that that's not how what happened.

And I asked, I was like, have you been programmed to like not say anything against the church?

And it was like, no, I only deal in facts.

And I was like, I don't believe you.

No.

Stacey Wright (01:00:55.928) I don't believe you either.

Chat's a liar.

Chat is a stinky little liar.

But it draws from what it draws from.

I bet it doesn't draw from DuckDuckGo.

Because if you look on DuckDuckGo, you're going to see things that you won't see on Google at all.

It just doesn't index.

Because Google's decided, you don't need to see that.

Betty (01:01:10.392) Do I need to get to the other side?

I actually don't even think I've...

I might have vaguely heard of it, but it might be the kids' game.

I don't know.

I'm going to have look at this.

Stacey Wright (01:01:20.718) DuckDuckGo.com is a search ending where they just allow you to see what's on the fucking internet.

Betty (01:01:27.936) Nice, I'm going to do my conspiracy research on there.

Stacey Wright (01:01:29.306) you You should definitely do that guys.

If you are a conspiracy minded like me, you've probably already read the Da Vinci Code.

Let me know in the comments what you thought about the book.

It was well placed.

It was a well paced thriller that literally blew the world apart when it came out.

And it still did that to me today on a reread.

Like I'm not gonna lie.

I'm like, yes, this is righteous conspiracies.

Betty (01:01:43.598) You Betty (01:01:56.259) Yeah, I definitely enjoyed it.

So what did you rate it?

Because I know what you rated it previously because it come up on my Goodreads when I went on there.

No, say what you did first.

What did you rate it?

Stacey Wright (01:02:03.236) What did I rate it previously?

Stacey Wright (01:02:08.74) Because like, 4.5.

Betty (01:02:12.874) it was four, but you didn't leave a comment, so it could have been the same.

Stacey Wright (01:02:15.898) Yeah, it would have been 4.5 then as well.

if they don't, if they, I I never used to round up.

I always went down.

So if it was 4.5, was four.

Cause fuck that.

If it was a five star, it'd be a five star.

Sorry.

I did not, I remember the last time too, it was the book.

I thought the book was too long.

It was one of my biggest pet peeves was that I don't think it needed to be that long.

There was a lot of waffle in there.

yeah.

And I also, Betty (01:02:23.06) Okay, Yeah.

Betty (01:02:36.43) Very good.

Stacey Wright (01:02:45.156) Did not much care for the albino dude.

Silas.

I don't know, he really creeped me out in a book, really creeped me out in a fucking movie.

And when I was watching it again, I'm like, I forgot how good he was at this.

And I was like, every time he spoke, I'm like, you're what God represents.

I think I'm gonna worship the devil.

Betty (01:02:49.93) Okay.

Betty (01:02:58.382) No.

Yeah, he was very creative.

Stacey Wright (01:03:08.954) Jesus fuck.

He's a brilliant actor, but one of the best actors out there Perfect and so Ian Killen dude you nailed it.

Okay, you were perfect Betty (01:03:10.734) yeah, he's very good.

Yeah, he was very good.

Betty (01:03:22.198) Mm-hmm.

Very good.

Stacey Wright (01:03:23.748) That's all I gotta say about that.

So, what did you write it?

Betty (01:03:28.014) yeah, I went 4.5.

Stacey Wright (01:03:31.288) Yeah, cause it's good, right?

I left you those books years ago, you hobag.

Betty (01:03:34.082) Yeah, yeah.

good.

really enjoyed it.

Sorry, I it again.

Stacey Wright (01:03:37.882) left you those books like 20 years ago.

Betty (01:03:40.503) I yeah but I've only started reading the last couple of years and that was at my mum's still.

I to go and get them.

I did keep them.

Aww, cute.

Before we go, in, as we've just done the DaVinci Code and they have, what is it called?

What's the thing called?

Cryptic, cry...

They did a cryptex.

So I thought before we go, I've got some clues.

Five letters, don't answer.

Stacey Wright (01:03:44.634) Yeah, but you kept them!

Stacey Wright (01:03:58.436) Cryptex.

Stacey Wright (01:04:05.755) god.

Okay.

Betty (01:04:09.408) You just need to write it down.

I'm going to give you the five clues.

You need to take the first letter.

You need to write down the five letters and you need to make a word.

And what we'll do is I'll read out the clues now and then we'll chuck it on Patreon.

You can go over there and check if you're right.

We'll it.

We'll carry on.

Ready?

Right.

Clue number one.

These are some are easy.

Some the albino monk in the DaVinci code.

Stacey Wright (01:04:09.604) Okay.

Stacey Wright (01:04:28.098) Ooh, there we go.

Okay, let's do that.

Betty (01:04:40.938) Number two.

my god.

We might have to cut this.

Stacey Wright (01:04:47.67) Why?

Betty (01:04:49.07) Let me change it.

Well, I'll tell you, cut this out.

This was done by chat, which I didn't read properly.

It's like Robert Langdon's first name.

Stacey Wright (01:05:00.484) Just put Professor Langdon.

Professor Langdon.

No, just say Professor Langdon.

Betty (01:05:01.91) I'll just say Tom Hanks' name.

Okay.

That's really funny.

Stacey Wright (01:05:09.004) That's hilarious!

Because that one was not easy, okay?

We- That clue was not gonna give you shit, That's hilarious.

Betty (01:05:13.325) No.

Betty (01:05:17.62) Okay, clue number two, Professor Langdon's first name.

Clue number three, Dan Brown's Angels and Demons features a secret society called...

Number four the secret society in the Da Vinci code is the Just the first letter of the first word and then clue number five But this is so easy.

This fucking thing is stupid.

We've already given that answer away The last one is Dan Brown also wrote what and demons?

Might have to cut this out Stacey Wright (01:05:54.88) trying us both surepah surepah surepah Betty (01:05:58.243) Yeah but it's not in order, you gotta mix it up.

I need something else for A.

Hang on, let's go to fucking chat.

Fucking idiot man.

See, this is what me and chat fucking fic is shit.

Stacey Wright (01:06:01.882) Okay, so you need an A word.

Okay.

Stacey Wright (01:06:08.25) You didn't check it though!

You didn't check it's work!

Betty (01:06:13.494) Because I just kind of scanned it and was like, okay, that works.

And it doesn't work.

Stacey Wright (01:06:27.31) Yeah.

I know.

I know what it is.

Betty (01:06:31.31) I'm Brown's Da Vinci Code.

Betty (01:06:38.222) I'll try to message you on this thing and you obviously didn't get it.

Stacey Wright (01:06:44.654) I did it saying I've got a message, but I don't know where.

It's just one chat message.

I'm like...

Betty (01:06:49.122) I was like, need to get, I need a break, I need a drink.

Hang on.

Blah, blah, blah.

Stacey Wright (01:06:54.564) He could have just said stop and that would have been enough.

Betty (01:06:57.454) Yeah, I know but we was in a bit of a flow as well it's more like when we when we're coming to like move on and then it didn't Yeah, but when we're in a flow like so he was like really laughing and stuff after and I'm like what way describes the hidden messages?

Stacey Wright (01:07:04.41) You're stop me!

Stacey Wright (01:07:12.154) So funny.

Betty (01:07:15.551) this is so dumb.

What's an answer that would be A, what's that guy's name?

Aaron Grosier.

Stacey Wright (01:07:31.748) Or could do something about the fruit because the apple is that came up a lot in the movie.

Betty (01:07:36.737) yeah, I could just say what fruit, what was the answer?

What was the answer to the crypt text?

but the last one, because in the book there's two and there's only one in.

Stacey Wright (01:07:48.42) We can say fruit.

We're not trying to actually make these people think too hard.

Betty (01:07:52.727) No, I know.

Yeah, was just to get him to Patreon.

Right, okay.

Okay, clue number five is what was the answer to the second cryptex?

So what unlocked it at the end?

What was the answer?

So take those five letters, you're have to mix them around and then you're gonna have to jump over to Patreon to see if he was right.

Stacey Wright (01:07:55.951) Yeah.

Stacey Wright (01:08:06.862) oooo Stacey Wright (01:08:16.89) Me lovey, lovey, lovey.

Don't forget to follow us on Patreon.

It's free to sign up.

I've got all sorts of free stuff over there.

I made a book bingo card.

I've done two of them so far.

See you can beat me.

You should be following us, liking us, sharing us.

You should be definitely sending the link to this episode to all the people you don't like and the Illuminati will get them.

Betty (01:08:38.478) And just to all of your conspiracy theory friends.

Stacey Wright (01:08:42.594) Yes, I am with you my people, I am with you.

We hope that you have the reading week, you deserve readers and we will catch you next week.

Take care.

Betty (01:08:52.398) Catch you next week.

You said Catch You Next Week and that's what I going to say in the news.

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