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Have you ever wondered how to kill a man and get away with it?
That's why you're here.
You are in the wrong place.
But today we are deep diving into a thriller where one woman does exactly that.
0:16 This week we're deep diving How to Kill Men and Get Away with It by Katie Brent.
A dark, sarcastic revenge fantasy.
The art where the vigilante justice actually empowers women or just creates another predator.
OK readers, let's slay this book.
0:44 Welcome back to the Book Slayers podcast.
Today we are gutting a doc comedy thriller.
It's explicit, It's twisted.
And fair warning, the body counters.
Oh, we're spilling the ink, blood and every dirty secret.
1:04 Oh my God.
It was so good.
That was a really good overview of like that book that was really good.
I was like, yeah, it was good.
Oh my God.
OK, when I saw it on KUI was like OK, it seems a little fluff.
1:24 Like the cover seems a little fluff.
New, new, new new.
You get into that, some of the language, just the overall tone of the book.
I love that tone.
This kind of like kind of dark comedy stuff.
I'm really that you're holding the actual book.
1:43 I kindled it on KU.
What I want, I was I'm so extra OK when I'm reading a book and I was, I started it on KU and I'm like, I kind of want it.
Like I kind of want it.
I'm so I've got nowhere to put these books.
I think it's a great cover.
2:00 I like a book that's got a really dramatic colour to the book.
Yeah, any yeah, I think it looks great.
I think they did a good job with that.
I really do as well.
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Yes, you will.
OK, this perk, OK this book.
Some of the themes of this book blew my fucking mind.
2:35 I'm not being funny, OK?
But the feminine rage was fucking surreal.
We've all internalized this before, I think.
And OK, I got I had a question for you.
OK, so she's obviously taking these dirtbags out.
2:52 She's bringing her own brand of vigilante justice now.
Do you think that she is justified in killing these men instead of letting the justice process actually work its magic?
We live in the real world.
3:10 You can't really go around killing men.
But if but if you could get away with it, would you?
I don't know.
I wouldn't actually have the bollocks to do anything like that.
I could.
I wouldn't even want to punch someone.
Do you know what I mean?
Like I couldn't imagine like the things that she does and how she kills them.
3:26 It's quite.
I wouldn't say the book is graphic, but there is points where you're like, holy shit, I'm.
Really.
Yeah.
And I love that about this book.
Now, I don't think I would.
3:42 I don't think going out there and killing people Willy nilly really is the right way to go about it.
But the part for me was when they were on the boat and kitty's at the hotel and what happened to our friend.
Like that right there.
I'm like now change friend to child.
4:00 Oh no, don't, don't.
How fucking murderous would you be then?
And I'm like, I kind of because for me it's clear it's black and white, right?
You don't kill people.
It doesn't matter what they do.
You don't kill people.
But I'm thinking about my I've got a 20 year old daughter, right?
And I'm like, what's that been her?
4:18 I think, I think I get it.
You know what I mean?
Would I do it?
I don't know.
I can't answer that.
I do not want to get into trouble.
I don't think I would kill people.
But how do you know when you're in that situation, right?
Like Kitty starts off where she's being followed, right?
4:33 She's being followed.
This guy's like trying to and she accidentally kills him like that.
She didn't start out this way, right?
Like this is just it was an accident.
I, I actually, because I read the book, I was too engrossed in the book to sort of make any notes for today.
4:49 So yesterday I kind of went back through and on the first couple I'm like killed accidentally killed accidentally.
Like she actually wasn't going into them.
She was in, she was, I mean, the first guy was just approached her and was just getting a bit too much.
And I think she just pushed him and he'd already like thrown a bottle at her, which was smashed on the floor.
5:08 And when she pushed him, did she push him?
And then he fell on the bottle and it literally went in his neck.
And then she.
Was like what?
The funniest part was she was like, what if I called an ambulance?
It's not like he'd survive anyway.
Whatever.
Whoopsies.
Waste of a phone call right there.
5:26 And then the second one I think she wants to get.
She just wants her friend to have some closure.
So she she arranges to meet this guy through Tinder who knows that he's friends, that her and her friend are friends.
Which is also weird that he accepted the Tinder requests anyway.
5:42 And you know she she uses her real name.
This is saying I wrote she used her real name so she wasn't I don't think she was intentionally going there to kill him.
She was going there to be like do you realise what you've done?
You should probably just call her and just explain that you just don't want to see her.
Like she just wanted her friends a bit closure because her friend is a little bit like Bunny boiler ish.
6:00 She's like in love within like 2 weeks and she's like, why does he hate me?
So she is a little bit extra and I, I kind of, when he was talking about it, I kind of got it.
Like I was like, yeah, imagine that.
That's a bit much.
But he should have just told her.
6:15 But he just done the, the ghosting thing, which I think is fair.
Like you should, you should probably have a conversation.
But then they weren't boyfriend and girlfriend.
So I'm like, do you need it?
It was.
That's the sort of questions I was asking.
So when you when you when you start dating and you stop dating somebody, what you're supposed to give them a fucking book report on why they don't want to see you anymore?
6:38 No, this is where I was going, but it's because her feelings were so hurt.
I think it was like 3 weeks.
Her feelings were so hurt and she was like why?
Why does he love me?
But on his side he's like, look, weren't working.
She was going a bit fucking nuts.
I'd had enough and I've cut it off so I can kind of I can see that.
6:57 But when someone's got your fucking phone number, surely just even if it's a Texan block, like Hey, you've been great hanging out, but I'm I'm a bit busy.
I've got work, you know, just, you know, just a usual like put them off and then no, it's not you, it's me.
7:18 Do the old?
Why not?
I'm just not in the right place, honey.
Yeah, OK.
Yeah, but like she went into that not going to murder him and then another, I mean, I think she grabbed his phone and he went for her because he was a fucking phone.
7:37 I think they were scrabbling on the floor and then he picked, she picked up like a big ornament E type thing and just give him a good whack and then was like oh shit, done it again.
Noodles, whoopsie doodles.
But I guess my, my biggest question is like women right now, we men are dangerous to us, especially when we're out alone.
8:01 Like, do you think that if there was a real vigilante out there right now, not saying necessarily a man or a woman, but somebody out there protecting women from men who, you know, use, you know, do horrible things to them?
Yeah.
8:17 Do you think men would stop being such douchebags?
And you know, stop.
You know that urges.
Hind just went what's their WhatsApp number so I can just text it.
Text your tips, text your tips.
8:33 I fucking love that.
Because if you think about it logically, OK, our legal system really does fail us on a day-to-day basis.
Just I'm going to just quickly say this.
There was a goal here.
She she was unalibed by her ex.
She had a restraining order.
8:48 The police knew all about the dangers, but they didn't do nothing until it was too late.
And I was kind of looking at Kitty through that lens.
And I'm like, she's out there doing something so that someone else doesn't get hurt.
But I know that I'm jumping here.
But we find out that she killed her father when she was a kid.
9:06 So clearly she's always been a murdery little fucker.
So I don't think this is necessarily that she's killing these people because she is looking for justice.
I think she's using it as an excuse to feed her urges.
I think you're forgetting something quite important of why she killed her father because he was attacking her mum.
9:27 Yeah.
So is that what?
In that vein, she was trying to save her mum from him.
So even though her father, it was her mother being attacked.
Like I don't even want to go down that road of if it was our pet.
9:43 Do you know what I mean?
Like I think you want to do something and I don't know.
But she was.
Very intentional thing of that.
She killed him.
I think it was an immediate reaction to be like.
Stop, I know.
But if you're I know, but OK, think about your 12 year old self here.
If you were watching something like that unfold, is your immediate reaction to go and hit somebody with something?
10:03 Or is it to scream, hide, call the police?
These are normal reactions, her automatic reaction when we hit them.
And I think that that I think she's a little bit psychopathic.
I really do.
And I believe that she uses these slights against people, like these slights like to justify the fact that she likes to murder people.
10:24 I do, because she's like, oh, I can feel the beast waking up.
Well, the beast wouldn't be a fucking wake.
Like, I, I see things on the news all the time.
I don't suddenly get murderous, you know?
What I mean?
Interesting.
And as a woman, it makes you scared to kind of, you know, we as women are told, don't walk home in the dark on your own.
10:43 Always get a taxi.
Always check that it is a taxi.
We all got taught by our boyfriends or family members.
When you're walking, if you are walking home, put your key in between your fingers, which to be honest, that would not work.
It would just fall out.
I don't think that would actually work, but that's.
What we I don't think it's necessary.
10:59 It's not so much stab, it's scratch.
So you scratch.
You don't.
You don't.
And then it would just.
No, no, no.
Scratch.
Think about the lot.
If someone scratches your face, your automatic reaction is going to be to your hands are going to go to your face.
Is your time to write?
11:15 No, no.
This behaviour, by the way, this is just what we was talking when I was younger.
Yeah, it's, I don't advocate for you going out there and like scratching people with keys, but if you're in danger, absolutely you should find ways to do that.
And I think This is why Kitty was such an anomaly, because not only was she this like influencer, this is what she did for a job.
11:34 She had this most vapid life.
Like it was like drinking and drugs and partying and hanging out with her friends, posting socials.
And by night she was out there murdering people and she was getting away with it, which is the whole point of the book, right, Is she's killing these people.
11:50 And that was egging her on further because she never had to worry about the consequences.
Now she has like her family business is like, they have like a abattoir, right?
So she had access to meat grinders, which means anyone by that mate was getting a little bit of human in there.
12:07 And that really, that was actually one of the things when I was.
Like do you know what this book made me want to turn vegan?
That was one of the things too, because I'm like, she's a vegan, She does not like animals getting hurt, but she's got no problems sticking men in those meat grinders.
12:25 And I thought it was so funny.
But isn't it also like, because I was thinking about this, where she she, so she killed her dad when she was younger and they took him to the abattoir and minced him up.
She knows that this happens.
So she's like, I'm not eating that meat because that could not be human, but that could not be an animal that could actually be human because who knows what?
12:46 Who puts what in there?
But that's not why she turned vegan.
She would.
She turned vegan before that.
That's why dad was so fucking angry at her.
He took her plate of food and threw it at the wall because she refused to eat the meat.
Oh.
Yeah, she he was and he was like, I'm going to show you what happens.
13:03 This is this is how we put food on the table.
And he took her to the abattoir and that really solidified her not wanting to eat meat anymore.
So that was even before that.
But yeah, that would be on my mind as I was like, why?
If there's other people doing that, I was like, this ground beef is suddenly like ground beef and Dave, like.
13:19 It's looking in my fridge at like the mincemeat and the sausages and was like, Oh no, I've got dinner.
See, I'm talking like a bloody witch.
I talking to you makes me look like a freaking cow.
13:35 Funny.
Now, one of the things I also wondered was Kitty believes she can get away with all this stuff, and I wondered whether or not how much of that was because she came from a rich background.
She had privilege.
If she had been a poor person living in a trailer, do you think she would have been doing this stuff?
13:52 I had no idea, but I do think there was different levels.
So there was people that like her best friend, the dad was like a music mogul type thing.
You like discovered bands they was famous for like meat, which was not exactly you know, like it's not like a star quality of why you're rich.
14:14 I don't know if that makes a difference.
I just wanted to point that out.
She's rich, but it's not for like a really cool thing, but then she want her family's like dirty old meat money.
So then she became in, she started Instagram and did all that and then she just lived off her very Instagram money, even though she did get like an allowance from the mum who was still a lot.
14:32 You'd like took the yacht and jetted off to like somewhere posh I guess.
I thought it was South of France or something.
Yeah, I was going to say Cairns, but I don't know if that's a bit too specific.
But yeah, South of France sounds right.
Oh, she's that was quite a like a recurring theme in the book.
14:48 Like when they go to parties, there was this group of girls called the extras and they would call them that because wherever they were, I found that really funny.
Whenever they go out as like instagramers with like, I don't know, 100,200 thousand million followers, whatever they had, it would be like the extras who had some but weren't really that great.
15:06 And at one of the parties hen I think there was that like her part in her dad's like the music one and she was like, oh, why are you in my party?
You haven't even got 10,000 followers, bitch.
I found it funny and she and Joe, I did feel a bit bad though, because then it was like and then the girl just looked really sad about talking about all the Instagram stuff and all of them bits and then they actually went to a party, didn't they?
15:32 I don't know if it was Hen or if I don't know which other.
It was an influencer party.
Yeah, but when they got into the influence party, so Kitty had loads of followers and then whoever the other friend was, I can't remember which one it was, didn't have as many when they got in those.
Oh, you can go in this one like for the stars and you can just go down there with the other ones.
15:50 And I really love that.
Kitty left with her friend, though.
She was like, fuck this.
If my friend's not coming in, I'm not.
And they was like trying to chase her because she had followers.
And I was like, did you take a picture before you left on the wings?
And she was like, fuck no, fuck you.
So I thought that was fucking funny, too.
16:05 I think it was more the fact that now, if Kitty had grown up in a trailer park, which would she have been out murdering people opposed to the fact that she grew up with money and influence.
Like her father was big in the meat business.
I had a lot of money.
Like they were wealthy, wealthy people.
16:21 And it was one of those questions that popped into my head was if she had started out in a trailer in a trailer park, would she be out there killing people Willy nilly?
Because now you don't have all these extra things to cover you up like a doorman that would probably lie for you and a place to go like meat grind these motherfuckers.
16:39 And it was a really interesting thing in my head.
I was like, because I bet she wouldn't.
I bet if she did kill anybody, it would have been few and far between.
Like it wouldn't have been the way she was doing it.
Said earlier it wasn't that.
I think you said something like what did you say?
It was like she actually enjoys doing it.
16:56 So if you've that mentality in your psycho, would it matter what your status is?
I think she lucked out with the meat grinder business actually, because when when the first one died, Oh no, when the second one died, she didn't plan it.
So the second one was the one that she was trying to get to apologize to her friends.
17:13 She might like get him out of the house and get him in the car.
And then was like, shit, where do I take this guy?
Where do I get rid of the body?
But by the way, also just First off, just to interject there, how the fuck does she pull a grown man out of his house and into the boot of a car without being seen by anyone?
17:30 Because a dead body weight is very different from like lifting someone.
She's a skinny vegan.
Yeah, eat some protein, bitch.
That's what I say.
She's probably eating plant protein.
I can't.
I can't handle it.
OK, I can't.
17:46 I was looking at it.
I'm like, oh, I'd love to be a skinny bitch.
And I'm like, could I live on just plant based up?
And I'm like, no, I'm like, what would I eat for breakfast?
Grass.
I don't actually eat a lot of meat to be fair, but anyway, so she so she manages to get him in the car.
18:04 Don't do that day you've changed it into something really day.
I might be single but this doesn't give you an excuses.
You said that's not my fault, you said it.
Right, we'll move on.
So she gets him into the car and then she doesn't know where she's going to take him.
18:22 And then like light bulb goes, oh, Ding, Ding, Ding.
I have an abattoir.
I know when they're open, I know when they're shut.
I can do this.
So I guess Ciao.
I still think she was a psychopath.
I do.
But psychopaths have to go.
They have to be more.
18:39 They're not Psychopaths are not necessarily murderous, but I think she really enjoyed it.
She could she hit her boyfriend right like Adam, because he was cheating.
Like what kind of nut case if you found out?
Like let's say you were in a relationship with a man, you love them and you found out he was cheating, you fucking whop him on the head with something or do you fucking leave?
18:59 Just leave.
Exactly.
You know, picks up, look like I'm going to look around for the heaviest fucking I am.
I'm going to fuck this motherfucker up.
You're not going to do that.
Normal people don't do that.
There's already something very wrong with her.
He lose, she almost loses control, doesn't she?
She just kind of, but even though I feel like so she found out because he was texting from another room, but she was on his computer and she started seeing all the texts coming through from Saskia being like, have you dropped her yet?
19:25 And then she was like, oh, and I thought we was OK.
And then she kind of the laptop there for him to look at and went to go and get drinks or something.
And then she come back and maybe just whacked him.
I can't remember exactly how that happened, but yeah.
And then she left him.
19:41 So she whacked him and then went, oh, shit, see a lot of it.
Accident, oops.
Like control, loss of control completely.
Here somebody is not an accident.
He wasn't dead, but I don't know if she thought he was dead.
Can't remember.
She did, but.
He wasn't dead.
19:56 She just left.
She didn't know I.
Thought he was going to come back bigger in the story, as in like he might have been the stalker at one point, but then obviously wasn't because then she went to see him in his care home.
I didn't really, I don't know if that all that all that whole bit kind of it.
20:14 Not that it didn't make sense, I just didn't know if it was necessary.
Like the whole you know what?
I wasn't sure.
I kind of liked it because they were trying to show you that somebody was stalking her and that they knew stuff.
Now, obviously they were showing that he was still alive.
20:32 He had obviously he, he's stuck in his head now.
He can't talk.
He has to blink to say yes or no.
Now he could have told somebody with blinking what had happened and that person could have been stalking.
So I thought that's where my mind went, like, was there somebody there in his life that was pulling out the justice for him?
20:50 But I also like the fact that they used him as kind of like, she did have some remorse moments that when she killed the kid by accident, right?
Like, she thought it was the brother.
And yeah, that was horrible.
But she went into a deep despair over that and tried to kill herself.
So clearly she has.
21:06 He's almost like Dexter in my head.
OK.
Because Dexter had a moral code, too.
He had the code.
Harry gave him the code.
She had her own code.
Like, this kid hadn't done anything wrong.
And then she, like, almost died because of that.
And I kind of you could see that there were glimpses of some humanity in there.
21:24 I've written down the code because I was like, she has a list.
The list is no women, no innocence, no homeless or people that have fallen on hard times, no doorman because they're handy.
I liked that one.
21:41 Don't don't hurt the people that could help you.
Don't get caught.
No shit.
Killing must serve a purpose, so you can't just go around Willy nilly just killing whoever you want.
It has to be for a reason.
21:57 And her whole reason was normally to protect women.
Yeah, that's the list.
All right.
I thought it's fun.
No, that was, it was brilliant.
It was brilliant.
I'm glad that you did write it down because I actually didn't.
But one question I had was like, she showed all this remorse about killing that kid right now.
22:13 Do you think that had anything to do with the fact that she was with Charlie?
And Charlie is like a genuinely decent man?
Like do you think that shifted her perception of men like being with him?
I think I think on the whole build up of when she killed that kid, she was she already had feelings of this doesn't seem right.
22:35 This doesn't sound like the guy that's been portrayed this like footballer who's like done whatever he's done.
I can't remember exactly what he'd done but she'd had feelings of him either essay or like just being a pest to like women.
Oh yeah.
And the way that he was acting and he was showing her around this apartment, which was the footballer's apartment, but he was the brother pretending to kind of be the brother.
22:57 So I think that just to clear this up, so the Reuben was the little brother.
I remember the brother's name anyway, so Reuben the little brother, and he's showing around the house as if he actually lives there.
RAF.
Yeah.
But yeah, something like that was.
Why is he talking me?
23:14 Why is he showing me around as if he's just And it's like, oh, and there's a hot tub by the way.
Oh, and look at this really cool fridge.
And it's like you wouldn't do that in your own home.
So I think in her head she was already having alarm bells of this is this doesn't seem right.
Yeah.
And then obviously she goes through with it and kills him and then finds out after she's left because she leaves him there.
23:34 She doesn't try and move him because she's in someone else's apartment.
And it's but the next day on the news, it's like, oh, it's his little brother.
And then she has to ring the extras because she was out with them first because she left the club just before this kid They who then followed her.
He has to work out if what it is is true because she's really confused.
23:51 And I think the whole confusion and the fact that she does have, she's not killing Will and Nilly, I think that she does feel genuine remorse because he actually didn't do anything wrong.
And he was actually like quite a sweet young kid who was just really excited to be around her and be in this house.
24:06 And he was an innocent as well.
So I don't, yeah, I think it was genuine.
So do you actually think then that she was properly trying to kill herself?
Because she says she's not.
And I don't know, but nobody.
Takes that amount of drugs to have to have their stomach pumped if they weren't trying to deaden the noise in their head.
24:29 Whether or not she was actually thinking I want to kill myself, but she was doing the steps to kill herself regardless of what she says afterwards.
Because it to be to have your stomach pumped, you have to have taken a lot.
You have to have drunk a lot.
And she wasn't.
24:44 She would have died if Charlie Anna found her.
She was doing it for days, wasn't she?
As well?
It was a light.
Just sand, but that's what I mean.
And the the noise wasn't going away.
She was still feeling.
So she was taking more and more and more and more.
So that's why I think.
Kind of dead.
25:00 I think she was actively trying to kill herself, but I feel like what you're saying is maybe subconsciously.
Yeah, maybe she was.
Doing.
Yeah, but she didn't.
It didn't come to her head and say I want to kill myself, I want to die.
I think she was actively taking the steps towards it happening and I don't think she was necessarily 100% conscious of that, but that's where she was heading because she was drinking more, she was doing more drugs every single day.
25:24 And you wouldn't do that.
You wouldn't, not if you didn't hope that it would all end.
Like that's, that's just, that's what happens.
The noise is not going to stop until you're dead.
It's horrible.
It's horrible.
Can we talk about the holiday?
Yes, let's do that.
25:41 In the book, I think, like I think I said to you earlier, I read the whole book and we all know my memory is absolutely terrible.
I remembered everything from that point and then couldn't remember before, which is why I went back yesterday and went over and was like, wow, loads of stuff actually happened.
But this was like a massive bit of the book.
26:00 So they go on holiday.
So she breaks up with Charlie because she's killing some guy in her apartment and he knocks on the door and she's like, oh shit, I've got to answer the door and she won't let him in.
And the guy like made a noise because she became a vigilantes and she was actively looking for people in the news who did have been released for like SA or he's got away with something.
26:22 So she got this guy.
She's she's trying to murder him in her own apartment, which I think is also really weird that she did that.
Anyway, so Charlie knocks at the door.
She can't answer.
He he makes a noise and then Charlie comes back another day and is like, we're in different places, We haven't said we're exclusive, blah blah blah.
We're going to break up anyway.
26:38 Do you know what I love?
She speaks to her friends and where they're all like famous and they've got loads of money.
They're like, should we just go to Mykonos tomorrow?
Yeah.
Yes, please.
I want to go to make.
Do you want to go?
Should we go?
Let's go right?
Now I can go.
Let's fucking go.
26:54 What a great life to have that when you're feeling shit you can just go on holiday the next day to make yourself feel better.
See, This is why I wish I had that vegan skinny body.
I could get all like the the nice quiz for four year old women.
Maybe I could be an influencer.
And then we like books ready so they go on holiday, they have a couple of chill days, a couple of drinks and then I think Katie's just knackered and she like sleeps all day.
27:23 And her friend.
Which one is it?
It's Hannah.
I'm pretty sure it's Han.
No, I don't think it's hand.
See.
No, it's the other one with like 3 letters.
What's her bloody name anyway?
Another friend she buggers off out because she's like I'm bored and you're sleeping and I can't wake you up.
27:41 Tall.
It was tall.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It all goes out she's met a couple of girls she ends up on a boat with some guys bad shit happens on the boat.
She she like they drug her, they did drug her, didn't they?
28:00 The.
Champagne the.
Next day she kind of wakes up and just knows that things have happened.
So I think she doesn't know the first one happens, but she knows when she wakes up and then another one of the guys comes in and does the same thing and she's, she said she pretends she's asleep, but she's she knows what's going on.
28:18 Yeah, this is a massive treat.
Warning guys.
Awful.
Absolutely fucking awful.
Then she goes back and she tells Kitty.
What's Kitty going to do about it?
Oh.
Kitty's just going to go purr in the corner.
She's not going to do nothing, she's just a friend gets fucking hurt by a man by being ghosted and she bought the fucking revenge like.
28:42 Oh, talk can't sleep.
So I think why does she always have these drugs in her?
How does she get these drugs to Mickey not as well.
She's like, oh, maybe they might have just been like Valium or something.
Get that on prescription, right, Liam?
I don't know what the equivalent is in new case.
I don't know that we have Valium.
I don't know.
28:57 Diazipad.
I don't know, I'm not up on my prescription drugs, but so she gives her these.
So talk and sleep.
Yeah, Xanax.
Kitty Salex, is that AUK thing for us also?
Just ask what the other name is.
So Kitty goes out to play.
29:17 She goes.
She goes out to.
Play.
She goes and finds that yacht and those suckers are just so predictable.
She's just like, oh, hey, I'm just looking for my friends, can I come on your boat?
29:32 And they're like, yeah, come on the boat.
So she drugs one of them because there's three and there's only one of her.
And she's like, how am I going to do this?
So she drugs one managers.
He buggers off to go sleep so he doesn't feel well.
I think she's using like GHB or something though.
29:49 So this was my question, how she got all them drugs?
Had GHB, so did they she use theirs?
Maybe, maybe.
And then I can't quite remember.
I don't know if you remember this bit better, you might be better to explain this.
Can't remember exactly how it happened, but there's two others.
30:07 Maybe one goes off for the toilet or something, I don't know, but she basically kills both of them.
Yeah, she hits one of them.
She chucks them overboard and she, and obviously because she's rich, she used to go on boats when she was younger.
So she takes the out that they're on to like Chuck them overboard, and then she waits for the other one, which I think was the main instigator to wake up and then she does him in as well.
30:31 She cut, she cuts his.
I'm going to use the word yeah, I'm going to use the word that they didn't like because I think it was hem was talking about sex, right.
And she was like he said, Willy, you're Willy, Willy.
Yeah, you're Willy nilly in it.
30:47 But yeah, she cuts off his Willy and and shows him that's that's how that starts.
Yeah, about what he's done for a minute.
Imagine that happening to a man, though.
Then someone holding your peace while you're like.
And it's not, it's not tapped that must you're.
31:04 Alive.
Absolutely.
Yeah, You're alive.
I I would think, though, surely something like that would kind of knock you out.
Like your brain would be like too much stress pass out.
But he doesn't.
Well, he doesn't from what we've seen, but he sees the Willy.
Don't know.
Don't pass out after.
31:19 She didn't say like, that was a bit much.
Like I'm not being funny, but how easy would it be?
I'm not going to Google this because I realized the other day that I was, I read three books and they all had like murder and like bad stuff in the title.
And I'm like, I'm going to have CSIS on my fucking doorstep because of the stuff I'm Googling, right.
31:38 And I wondered when I read that part, how easy it would be to cut off a Willy.
And I'm like, I can't Google that because I'm going to get in trouble.
I was like, how easy would that be?
What did she use?
She used a knife, right?
Well, yeah, but think this isn't like she hasn't come prepared because she does keep mentioning a certain knife, which I did Google, but I was really the same as yours.
31:58 Like, can I Google this?
Is this like a really, like specific type of weapon?
But I don't think it is.
I think it's like a kitchen knife, but they're on a boat.
But how good is that kitchen knife?
How much are we swearing?
That's what I mean.
I wanted to know so bad, but I knew I couldn't Google it without like, it's even like Mike, if he went through my search history, he's going to be like, just like how to kill a man and get away with it.
32:20 The other one was called When I Kill You, and then the other one was How to Get away with murder.
So I've been doing thrillers right, and I'm like, this does not look good at all.
I look like an absolute sociopath.
And I'm like, I can't go Googling how easy it is to cut off a Willy.
32:37 I can't.
I've got my phone.
I'm texting Mike.
You better text your wife's search history.
No, I told him all about this last night.
I'm like, if CSIS comes, This is why?
And he's like, why?
And I'm like, because of these book titles.
And I was like asking the computer stuff and I was like, and I want to know how hard it would be to cut off.
32:56 I use the C word.
I didn't say Willy.
And he was like, is there something I should know?
We're recording the podcast tomorrow.
He's like, OK.
And he ever so slightly just moved his leg just up a little bit.
I'm like, it's OK.
33:12 Like, I didn't look.
I don't know.
Has he been just kind of when you're in the kitchen, is he kind of checking what you're doing?
Are all the knives there?
Yeah, I bet he's going to be there going.
Are all the knives in the block?
Like he's going to be like he's going to be checking in.
He's going to be like, you're right.
33:28 And it's Friday the 13th today, right?
It is.
It is.
Yeah, so he's going to be like.
Oh, happy Valentine's Day for tomorrow or for three days ago when you get to listen to this.
Yeah, yeah.
So happy belated Valentine's.
33:45 What a very nice book for Valentine's to be reviewing.
Then do what?
But we are a thriller podcast.
We do not do romance unless it's in a thriller book.
Yeah.
Are you doing anything for Valentine's?
34:03 Oh, that was that was a real role.
I roll then.
No, I was thinking, I'm like no no we we don't.
One year Mike ordered me flowers and the florist was so fucking busy I didn't get them till 9:00 at night.
Holy shit.
Yeah.
34:19 So I'm like happy Valentine's night.
We don't really bother with all the kids like she trying to be romantic.
Like it's really almost 11 years, almost 11 years.
But yeah, yeah, be 11 years in my May the fourth because it we always do our Star Wars.
34:40 So that's nice.
I know.
So we'll start like watching Star Wars stuff, like closer to the time.
But yeah, no, we we've done Valentine's Day.
I really don't care.
Now if you bought me some chocolate cupboard strawberries, I wouldn't say no intent.
34:57 Weight loss.
Weight No.
No, no, just gonna be at home because obviously we're all single.
I keep seeing these giant cookies.
I don't think it's on Instagram.
I think it's Instagram, but they're like giant cookies and you know when you break them apart and it's all ooey gooey in the middle, I was like, we need to make that.
35:20 And I think Valentine's is a good day to do that.
We don't, we occasionally bake.
We're not big bakers when we do normally turns out right actually, So I'm quite excited for that.
We just say was going to do say as I think just movies like not like ROM com.
We don't.
We like action comedy type movies.
35:37 The Rock and Kevin Hart together are like our dream team.
We love them.
I love that.
I'm so I don't know what we watch, but yeah, it'll be something like action comedy and we just have a chill.
Yeah, so I had a question for you.
So this book is like loaded with like obviously you like your movies the way you like your books, like funny and actiony, right.
35:59 So that's this book really fits that bill for you.
Do you like the fact that she was using a lot of, like, dark humour in here to go along with like the.
Yeah.
Yeah, it makes the book though, I think.
Imagine if you didn't have the humour and then you was reading what was happening, that would be like proper dark, dark.
36:18 Which is not off my by the way, but I just think it kind of hits a bit different when it's a bit comedy.
Like as a read, think it kind of makes it feel more OK that you're reading something so crazy.
That's what I wrote down.
I was like, I feel like what she's getting up to and all the murdery stuff doesn't seem so bad because there's funny stuff in here and that's terrible.
36:41 But I'm telling you right now, I know you haven't read it yet, been you should probably give Dexter a go, because Dexter is the same dark comedy thriller as this.
Yeah, we've said I did watch an episode or two and.
Then the show gets better.
The show gets better, but the books are good.
36:59 My catch phrases I forget.
I know I should remind you, but it's funny because I don't normally quote out of books.
OK, this is not something I do.
Someone's like someone's always asking.
They're like, hey, what's your favorite quote from a book?
I'm like, fuck, I don't know.
Well I actually pulled 4 out of this book and I laughed so fucking hard.
37:17 I've got a couple as well, but I wonder if two of us are the same because you did.
Probably.
Why don't you do yours first thing?
So I've got 4.
Right, so Maisie is one of the friends and when she gets a new boyfriend, Kitty describes him as blow drying red trousers or blow drying trousers.
37:39 And then later on the same guy there at a different party and she's like, oh, here comes Rupert red trousers.
Well, which makes it funny, but it reminds me and this might be Auk thing.
I don't think it it will resonate but you will remember this when we was at Christchurch Primary School you would have Roger, Red Hat Books and Billy Blue.
38:05 Hat.
I can't remember the other ones, Johnny.
And Jennifer, Yellow hat.
And it it just reminded me of that.
I was proper giggling at those.
I didn't write any of you sent me two and I was like, they're great.
No, no, that's that's fucking hilarious.
38:20 So I didn't even pick up on that and now I'm like, now it's in my head and it's even more fucking funny.
But the ones that I said you were absolute gold.
I was laughing, but I put a book down.
I was laughing, but I took a screenshot like I showed you it, right.
I sent it to my friend JC and then I was still laughing, but I said what you laughing at And the first one was leave her alone.
38:39 If Kitty wants to keep her Kitty dry than a rye beta, then that's her decision.
And I was like choke laughing for the longest fucking.
So I was like dry the no right beat up.
I was crying, man, That was fucking, that was Goldman.
That was pure fucking gold.
38:55 To me, cry a little bit, right?
And then did the second part in that conversation, she was like, so I'm pretty sure Hen says it.
Oh, no.
Yeah, maybe it was Hen or talk.
I remember which one I said, did he do that awful thing when they stick their fingers inside you like they're trying to get hair out of the plug hole?
I can see in my head too, like.
39:16 Oh no.
So I was quiet.
I had to put the book down and just live through this like laughter for the longest fucking time.
And then I got, so this one's not particularly funny, but I thought it was good and it was maybe disemboweling a sex offender is what I need to cure this particular hangover.
39:33 And I thought that was really clever.
I just got a fucking hangover and she's thinking about fucking disemboweling someone.
And the last one was he referred to himself as an entrepreneur, which everyone knows is shorthand for twat.
Yep, tick.
39:50 Now for you American people, twat because you don't say twat.
But in England we say twat.
But see does that sound?
But does it in an accent say it in an American accent?
What twat?
40:07 You can't.
You can't say that word in a not posh way, that's what.
I mean, it's just because JC said it does.
She called somebody a twat rocket, and I'm like, twat.
She was like, yeah.
And then she and I was like, it's twat.
She was like, oh, that sounds yeah, I'm like, yeah.
See, if you're going to say something like that, you have to say it properly.
40:26 Yeah.
Do you know what I think when you know my Auntie Shirley, she used to live up north in like, oh, and Blackburn kind of area.
So down here, our worst word is the C word, which I won't say.
But up there when she would come down, if we would say twat, she'd be like and I was worse than the C word.
40:47 Yeah, so it's weird.
It's weird.
Here it is like the C word is still like, that's the bad one that's about.
But I like the way Northerners say the C word.
They go coot, you bloody coot.
Oh yeah, does it.
Yeah, I love it.
It's one of my favorite words by him.
41:05 He always says something.
It fucking cracks me every time, he says.
Other half Roger is Stacy's mum's other half for anyone.
Yeah, my stepdaddy.
Is Roger?
Is Roger Red Hat Roger.
Red Hat.
Do you know what one of the things that irritated me with this book?
41:20 And I know that she's a young British girl, but every time the author wrote the word OPS, I was like, that was like nails down a chalk for me.
I didn't really notice that.
No, I think I use.
It I think I use N text.
41:37 Well, yeah, yeah, I do.
Yeah, but she was like, Oh yeah, on OPS and I'm like, she cut.
She come across really young, right, Because she's already in their 20s, late 20s, right?
Like 2627.
Yeah.
But I was just like, it was funny because like the influencers stuff really hit home for me because I'm a book influencer and I'm like, she's like, I'm making money off this year.
42:00 I get free books obviously, and Instagram's just changed it so that I can get paid exclusive content.
And I'm too scared to put anything in there.
But I'm like, this chick's living the life just off of Instagram.
I know a flash life as well.
I'm not just like, oh, I get by.
42:17 Yeah, not like just oh, it's it's it's like side hustle.
Yeah, like she earns decent money.
And I'm like, obviously you can make money this way.
But I just, I really enjoyed the fact that she was like this murdering, like vigilante, but she was like vapid and but she was really smart.
42:37 But she really seemed very smart.
But she made out to seem like she really wasn't.
And I thought that, like, her dark humor stuff was clever.
It made the book very, very entertaining.
I enjoyed the writing.
Like this, this, this Katie Brand is good.
42:53 Like, I wasn't.
I wasn't expecting brilliance.
And I know I shouldn't do that because if just because of cookbooks on KU doesn't mean that it's not well written, but I sometimes feel that way.
And I was like, she's really very, very good.
She's clever, She's quickie.
I love the quips.
The banter was really good, even though it was a little out of my age zone.
43:12 Like I thought I thought it was really clever.
I really, I was so glad it was picked at first.
I was like, my Instagram followers are fucking lunatics.
Like I'm like, wow.
And I'm like, you know what?
They really picked a good burg.
Like what did you give it for a star rating?
Me, I gave it for good for high for I did, actually.
43:32 You're saying about it being recommended?
I had it recommended a while ago from a friend who was like, oh, if you liked, I can't remember what book I'd read.
She said, oh, you'll like this one then.
So yeah, I was expecting it to be good because we do have quite similar book tastes.
Yeah.
43:47 What did you rate it?
I gave a 4.5 and the only reason that I didn't give it more was literally because some of the and I know I should, it shouldn't bother me because that's how these people talk.
But the language these people using to each other, sometimes that irritated me.
44:03 It just did.
Now, I obviously the book is set that way.
It makes sense for them to talk that way.
That's how they would actually talk.
But fuck me, did it annoy me?
I was like, stop talking.
If I was in a room with these people and Kitty went to me like, Oh yeah, oh, I wouldn't be like fuck off.
44:22 Take your fucking stupid ass that way, you little millennial.
Fuck off.
You were Gen.
Z.
What is it Gen.
Z?
What are they?
I think I'm millennial.
Yeah, you're millennial.
I think I technically am as well, which is ridiculous because I do not identify as one.
44:37 I don't know.
I'm not.
I'm.
Going to use that word a lot just to irritate you know.
You're going to fucking make but.
I just I'm going to enjoy your face.
Yeah, it just, I don't know, it just like I could feel it.
44:57 Every time she said it, it made me cringe.
And that doesn't happen often.
So that was the only reason it lost half a star.
And it probably shouldn't lose half a star for that.
But I went with the Betty approved way of reviewing and that was how did I feel by the end.
And that irritated me.
Yeah, I think it was a high fall, so I probably could have been, I would just say full because I was just thinking Goodreads.
45:17 That's what I rated it on Goodreads.
No, I I will find it.
I will find it on Goodreads.
I will write 4 1/2 in there so people understand why it lost half a star.
But honestly, like, Oh my God, I can't believe I'm going to say this.
I'm keeping it on my.
45:34 I'm keeping it for my mum to read.
Yeah, it's even.
Yeah, she.
I think she'll enjoy it as well.
I do.
It gets really hard sometimes when I finish something on my Kindle because we share Kindles.
Yeah, I have to remember not to remove stuff so that I can give it to her after.
Yeah, you know, I'm trying to download like 20 other books every day and I'm like, Oh no space.
45:54 Dude, there's some like other books like the Adult Comedy that I've read and I really enjoyed.
Like I'm going to get mad hate for this, OK, But the movie Fight Club was actually a book.
It was brilliant.
Brilliant.
46:12 It's what It was a brilliant book, OK.
And people go, oh, because this is a question people are they're like, what if you're on a date with somebody and that and you ask that person what their favorite book is?
What book would make you get up and walk away?
And Fight Club comes up a lot and I'm like, fuck you bitches.
46:27 I love that book.
Fuck you, I'd be like I turn around and walk out on you if you said I'm ready.
No, don't go.
I haven't read it.
No, not yet.
Now other one American Psycho was really good by Brett Is Eastern Ellis the first time Murder Club.
46:43 I keep going on about this series.
It is really good.
It's all.
Funny.
Yeah, it's on the bookshelf.
I just haven't got to it yet.
I got it.
I it was one of my charity shop picks.
Yeah, it's good, it's good.
And the last one and Oh my God, like I don't even want to say this chicks name either.
46:59 It's called my sister the serial killer.
And I'm not going to say the name because I really will butcher it.
And it's literally about this Nigerian nurse whose sister, like, kills people, like, has a habit of killing her boyfriends, and then she has to go clean it up.
And it was really funny.
I really fucking enjoyed it.
So apparently I like dark comedy thrillers.
47:15 Like apparently this is my jam.
Actually, with all your different recommendations, if anyone did not listen to one of the books that we already did, I mean, it is a Christmas theme book.
Remind me of the name, Can you remember?
How to Slay It Christmas by Sarah Bonner.
47:30 I was reading it.
I was like, not because the story's the same, but it was giving me vibes of Sarah Bonner in that book, Yeah.
Yeah, but that's what I mean.
It's I can understand now how the comedy makes the murders seem less severe, even though they're quite.
47:50 This one was quite graphic in spots, but it kind of like took the edge off and.
That's really, I was going to say if you're not really one for a lot of like my mum would definitely be one for like not a lot of gore and stuff, but I think because there's so much comedy, she could get through it.
So she'll be OK.
48:05 Like like when she reads a book, she has to like vet it in her head for my mum to be like she can handle that or she can't.
I think my mum could handle this because like you said, it is has got that comedy theme to it.
I also had that I was talking to someone about this book today.
I think it's my friend Rosie at work and there is a book too of this did.
48:24 You know, I heard this was going to be a series.
Like I'm pretty sure I read that this is the start of a series.
But like series Fuck really Like even on the back of the book it says meet Kitty Collins friend, lover, killer like look.
Katie.
48:39 Punchy.
It's not punchy.
Sarah Bonner No, there is a second one.
We'll have to work out what it is.
There's one I've killed before that wasn't the second one.
There's another one anyway.
So if you enjoyed this book, know that there is more and go and read more by Katie Brank because it was it was a great read and it was such an easy read.
49:01 I think we both said we didn't write any notes because we were just so into the book.
And I love that when you get lost in a book, you're not like, oh, what chapter may I like?
What percent am I free?
Like I was actually engrossed in this book.
OK, so the next book in this series is called I Bet You'd Look Good in a Coffin.
49:18 I see that's.
And then she's got another one coming out this year, called to all the men I've killed before.
Oh, that's like a play on the there's the TV show to all the Boys I've loved before.
Yeah, yeah.
OK, I wonder if these are on KU because I'm kind of I'm in the mood for this now.
49:37 Can I just say before we wrap this up, we have not talked about the ending of this book.
Oh my God, yes, yes, yes.
Let's do that.
That's that's, let's end with the end.
I actually liked how it ended again.
It was good.
I didn't expect the stalker to be hen.
49:55 No, I did not expect that either.
That is not.
Even like, and, and you know, I think we've said this before, like I wasn't even really questioned.
I was like, she's got a stalker.
Whatever.
Yeah.
Like, because there's certain bits where the stalker has, like when she's in her apartment with Charlie and they break up or something.
50:13 I think it's, yeah, she gets a text immediately from the stalker being like, I know you've broken up or whatever in obviously like a scary way.
And it's like, well, how did she know?
But I didn't even stop to really overthink it.
It was just like, the stalker knows.
Based basically that hen at the beginning of the book when the first guy dies, Kitty leaves her phone in the pub before she leaves and then the whole thing happens that that guy dies.
50:41 But it's I think hen has taken her phone and she puts like spyware on it.
Sorry, my voice.
Yeah, that's what she does, yeah.
Yeah, so she can see everything.
Obviously she's with her a lot, so she sees it first hand and she's spying on her phone, so she's got everything.
Hens dad had tried it on with Kitty and then she finds out from Charlie who has like business with James I think is the dad's name and he's.
51:08 Answers his charity.
Yeah, and he's like, Oh yeah, I've heard, I've heard stuff, but you know, you're not sure.
And it's like, we should listen to women when they say stuff and probably not affiliate with them if they're like that anyway.
So then he gets arrested, not because a Kitty and then he goes into kind of hiding in one of his like other posh apartments.
51:30 Kitty arranges to meet him and goes there.
But when she gets there, he's like, why are you here?
And she's all like slighted up to be like ending it.
She's going there for a little.
So so but she's going with her with her knives and share a little.
Murder kit.
Yeah, her little murder kit.
And it's actually Hen that she's been texting.
51:51 You know what?
I did not once think about Hen.
And it's funny because I did the same thing.
I wasn't overly concerned about what was going on with the stalker.
It was kind of like it was just kind of there and it was like, ha ha, I can see this, I know this, I'm doing that and I'm watching you.
52:08 But it didn't.
It was such a minor part of the story until we got to the end.
Which it's mine up because it's about a stalker.
But I think you think about people who are like proper Instagram famous, They must have people some weird shit all the time.
And I think that's why it kind of goes over your head a little bit.
52:26 Jack OK my TikTok I get sent sugar baby requests at least 12 a day with these fat disgusting men.
Like what would you do with $1200 right now baby?
You want to be my sugar baby?
Like so I know just how creepy fuckers are on the Internet.
52:44 Oh dear, that's funny.
Yeah, and honestly, if you're going to do it, just send me fucking books, OK?
And then I'll think about it.
We'll have a conversation after I see the goodies, bro.
Yeah, I'll just have the next Katie Brent book, please.
And then I can ghost, get the books and ghost because apparently that's what people do online.
53:05 So then Hen is like, yeah, kill my dad because he used to grape me when I was a child and all this weird shit.
And then that obviously gets Kitty going because she also doesn't know that Hen's obviously the stalker.
She doesn't know that Hen knows who, that she kills all these people.
53:22 It's like, really?
Now do this?
And she's like, yeah, so Hen goes in another room, Kitty does.
I was going to say does deed, but that makes it sound like something totally different.
You do you know how many times you've said things today where it's been like on the verge of being?
Dirty.
It's the book.
The book's changed my brain.
53:39 It's.
You.
You.
Are a dirty girl so it's he kills the dads and then when she goes back into hen hens like oh, I'm glad that's over.
It's really hard like keeping up.
53:55 She doesn't say in these words but keeps up this charade and like lion and Kate's like what you mean she's like he never did anything to me.
She's like what?
You're next.
Bye bye hen do.
You know, what I thought was bizarre was the fact that she found it so easy to kill this person.
54:11 It was her friend.
And I don't know if that point she put the switch was like, she's my stalker and she just made me kill someone, but she was going there to do it anyway.
Exactly.
Yeah, I think it was more like, let's not have any witnesses.
Yeah, yeah.
She wonder like how like her relationship with her friends, she says like she loves her friends and stuff will do you because you killed her quite quickly.
54:33 There wasn't really much before you did that.
Look, put it this way, OK, this is the song.
I'm going to explain it.
If I was at murdering people and you knew about it and then you got me to do something to kill somebody for you, I'd have a real hard time off in you.
54:48 I would I'd be looking at you like, I don't think I can do this.
I don't.
But this chick wasn't like, fuck you done over and done with.
I'd be like, oh, but that's that's my, that's my Betty.
I wasn't my bestie.
That's my that's my goal.
I'd be like, now if it was Mike.
55:06 And it's really hard.
I'm still, I would still, I was if it was Mike, I would still go, yeah, it'd be a little hard, but I could probably do it.
I'm just saying.
But you'd still stop and think about it.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, she didn't.
55:22 Which just adds to the sociopath psych psycho kind of.
That's who she is.
She's just not a normal human.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah.
And you know what?
It's funny because it's just kind of like, now you just said that.
It just triggered something in my brain.
I'm like, I wonder how much of her, like, heart and her dad shaped her adulthood.
55:42 Like, would she, if she hadn't have killed her dad, would she be this way?
Like, how much of it is nature versus nurture?
They're gonna be getting all fucking deep psychological Babble.
No, it's just, it was, it was like, my brain runs weird.
I swear to fucking go.
55:58 Because now I'm like, maybe it was trauma.
When we talk about stuff, This is why you should always have a book buddy that you read for a book club to talk about books because people say shit and it makes you think more about the book and I think it makes a bit more memorable.
56:14 It almost makes you enjoy it all over again as I love listening because I've enjoyed this today.
Like just what you talking right now?
And I'm like I was convinced she was just a sociopath and this was her but now I'm like I wonder if it's trauma based and that's how she's been dealing with her trauma.
56:30 She's killing her dad over and over again.
Oh, oh, that was deep.
No.
Look at me go.
But I wouldn't have got there without you, so I'm with you.
I think if you can find a bird that's easy to attain, like on KU and read with somebody and have a chat, I think it really brings a whole new dimension and levels to the story that you've already absorbed.
56:53 And I love that.
Talking to you is brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.
100% same.
Totally agree.
It was, it was a good finish to the book.
I enjoyed it.
I liked the end where she's kind of, I'm going to be better for Charlie now because he's a good person.
At the end.
I don't know if she sees a news story or something and she's like, here we go again.
57:13 So we leave her being very mergery because then we've got the second book.
Yeah, but that's what I mean, she was like, oh, it woke up the beast seeing something bad on TV.
Now that tells me that she can't control her urges.
She can't or she doesn't want to.
57:29 And I guess that's what I'm hoping they're going to talk about in Book 2.
Is it that she can't or she won't?
Can't versus won't.
Well, I guess we can only read to find out.
I think I'm going to if it's on KU.
I'm actually, I'm telling you, when I finished that book, I was like, oh, that's over.
57:44 Yeah.
I felt a little bereft.
I'm like, I kind of wanted to know what Katie was couldn't do next.
Who's she going to kill to die?
Maybe we'll do it and talk about it in one of our short episodes.
Yeah, we could.
That'll be cool.
58:01 We.
Haven't picked our next.
Oh no, we did.
We're going to do.
Clustered that we've been talking about this for a few weeks, I feel like it's gone so big on like Instagram and stuff.
We might be slightly behind this, but at least that's all right.
58:16 More of you will have read it.
More of you will be ready to hear the episode when it drops.
So this will drop in like 4 weeks when you see a little mini pod in between.
But yeah, I'm excited to, I'm really excited to do that.
I've literally downloaded it straight away.
So it's literally every time I'm like, it's there, I need to read it so.
58:36 Again, I'm so extra, I bought it, but I really wanted to support Brian because Brian actively talks to us on Facebook.
So I bought a copy.
It's a real shame because I would have loved to sign copy and I didn't think about looking to see if he had a website and I could have probably have ordered it straight for him instead of Amazon.
58:53 And I probably should have.
Guys, if you ever want to support an author, always look to see if they have a website first because sometimes they'll sign the books.
Yeah, it takes a little bit longer in shipping, but then you the he will get all the money.
There's no Amazon fees.
And see if he'll sign it to the Betty and Bunny Book Says podcast.
59:14 That would be amazing.
Let me see what I can do.
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